Samurais vs. Knights

[DeadRiser]

If they do implement Samurai's considering I never played XI...

I'd want them to be implemented like Tactics. It'd be cool. They'd have decent attacks but an AoE move around them that depends on which sword they use or skill. One would heal the people around them, the other damages, some debuffs. It'd be cool.

[Ruisu]

First off, I never played FFXI. To those of you that consider this a fatal character flaw, I am at the mercy of your fury.

Moving on. What is the obsession with samurais? Personally, I think samurais are amongst the most bad-ass warriors in military history, but they just don't feel *right* in a fantasy-based MMORPG. On the other hand, the "knight-in-shining-armor" archetype is a fantasy staple. Without it, the game isn't complete.

Am I culturally biased? Are samurais more of a desire of the Asian community base, who are more accustomed to stories of the katana wielding warrior than the sword and shield soldier? Or is this a cry from the carry-over FFXI community who saw the samurai class implemented so successfully that they cannot continue without it repeated here?

Help me understand!

Samurais were TP whores in the purest form. As much as I liked that about SAM in FFXI, I don't really see that as being a problem in this game. I suppose they can add super combos and stuff, but who knows. I'll play it if they add Samurai to the game, but I certainly will not beg Square for it. My time as a Samurai was done back in FFXI. I don't need to do it again, as fun as it would be.

[AlphaDragoon]

Why do I specifically want Samurai?

Well, it's because for me they ruined the "knight" type characters (Gladiators and Paladins) by making them both low DPS tanks, which I personally dislike greatly. I want to use a sword (because I love swords) WITHOUT being a tank. I want to use a sword WITHOUT having to use a shield (because I don't like those all that much). Specifically, I want to be a DPS class with a sword, but if they do decent damage I'm fine with anything that is not a tank.

So Samurai is a chance for there to finally be the class I really want. For those of you that have played Phantasy Star Universe, my ideal class that Sega couldn't have made any more perfect for me, was Acrofighter. High Saber (the game's one handed sword) use, no off-hand weapon if you chose to and no penalties whatsoever for not using an off-hand (unlike Glad where you miss out on a bunch of utility), high speed and power.

Obviously Samurai won't be that exactly, but something similar to that. Sword only without being a huge greatsword (I like greatswords too but it's not the same thing), and not a tank. And yes, I'm aware that SAM in XI had dai-katana, but those aren't as huge as the Cloud-esque greatswords I'm referring to and may not even apply in this game. Ideally, it would be AMAZING if Samurai in this game had two-handed katana...because they used iaijutsu. Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...0Yo4ZMQ#t=296s

THAT would be the most amazing thing ever.

[Tenji]

To be honest the reason i played xiv is because i wanted to play Samurai again since i really liked that class in xi, but due to all the adjustments they're making to the game, it seems like this thing is really far away...

[kensredemption]

In VII, Sephiroth wielded the Masamune - a katana. In X, Auron used a greatsword fashioned as a katana. His Celestial Weapon was also called the Masamune. This trend's been pretty commonplace within the latter half of Final Fantasy franchise, most likely perpetuated by the occasional encounter with Gilgamesh (VIII and XII to be specific). I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to settle in Eorzea to teach the Walkers of the Path to be samurai.

EDIT:

Gilgamesh also wielded the Masamune in VIII and Zidane has his dual-edged weapon named Masamune as well. It's a trend 5/6 installments running.

[Jynx]

First off, I never played FFXI. To those of you that consider this a fatal character flaw, I am at the mercy of your fury.

Moving on. What is the obsession with samurais? Personally, I think samurais are amongst the most bad-ass warriors in military history, but they just don't feel *right* in a fantasy-based MMORPG. On the other hand, the "knight-in-shining-armor" archetype is a fantasy staple. Without it, the game isn't complete.

Am I culturally biased? Are samurais more of a desire of the Asian community base, who are more accustomed to stories of the katana wielding warrior than the sword and shield soldier? Or is this a cry from the carry-over FFXI community who saw the samurai class implemented so successfully that they cannot continue without it repeated here?

Help me understand!

Gladiator and Palladin are not enough for you?

[MariyaShidou]

In VII, Sephiroth wielded the Masamune - a katana. In X, Auron used a greatsword fashioned as a katana. His Celestial Weapon was also called the Masamune. This trend's been pretty commonplace within the latter half of Final Fantasy franchise, most likely perpetuated by the occasional encounter with Gilgamesh (VIII and XII to be specific). I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to settle in Eorzea to teach the Walkers of the Path to be samurai.

Gilgamesh has been around since V, and it's the same guy he travel through dimensions you know.

[Zenaku]

One thing I always loved about FF series is the mixing of cultures, mythologies, lore etc from all over the world and adding its own twist to fit in each games universe.

Samurai will most likely be added like many other past classic FF jobs will.
And like in any previous game they will be fitting into the setting nicely, SE is quite good at that looking at past games.

Just cause your ideal RPG doesn't contain a certain class/creature doesn't make that the ideal RPG setting for everyone else.

Simply look at real life history, while there where Knights type warriors in the medival europe there existed Samurai type warriors in the far east.
XIV takes place in a fantasy world and the Eozera we know is just a small part of it, what says other continents we later explore must have the same culture, customs and style as the one we know of now?

I agree i remember back when the game was just being talk about , about a city in the far east which could be one of the flag in the map we see. They say samurai is coming and so is ninja so i don't see why it wont fit with FFXIV sometimes i don't understand people lol. The game don't have just 1 culture just like what you saying.

[kensredemption]

Gilgamesh has been around since V, and it's the same guy he travel through dimensions you know.

I know, and that's why I'd like him to make another appearance in XIV. It's been far too long since I saw that lug prancing around. Sure he showed up in Duodecim, but that's not enough!

[kensredemption]

im all for the knight class samurais are so played out i dont want to see a repeat of ffxi where all other classes kept getting nerfed and the japan based class ie sam got improvements again and agian its not fair to the GLOBAL COMUNITY that said if yoshi and the team can keep the biased thing out of it then adding both classes is fine just dont pander to the sam first type of mindset

Is there no thread where you don't come off sounding like a condescending ass?