Samurais vs. Knights

[Vyncent]

First off, I never played FFXI. To those of you that consider this a fatal character flaw, I am at the mercy of your fury.

Moving on. What is the obsession with samurais? Personally, I think samurais are amongst the most bad-ass warriors in military history, but they just don't feel *right* in a fantasy-based MMORPG. On the other hand, the "knight-in-shining-armor" archetype is a fantasy staple. Without it, the game isn't complete.

Am I culturally biased? Are samurais more of a desire of the Asian community base, who are more accustomed to stories of the katana wielding warrior than the sword and shield soldier? Or is this a cry from the carry-over FFXI community who saw the samurai class implemented so successfully that they cannot continue without it repeated here?

Help me understand!

[AlvaroVanagandr]

Yeah I say there's a bit of cultural bias there. It's a global MMO, so there should be globally inspired classes.

[grandm]

samurai are apart of FF seires. so have pride of place in any FF game. the game is game is japanese. if they want an iconic japanese warrior why shouldn't they. they are putting in a european knight paladin before they are putting in a samurai. so to say they are only thinking of them self is kinda false.

(the kill the final boss in FF5 use 2 whitemages and 2 samurai. heal with your mage and use coin toss with your samuria till the boss is dead) then tell me your samurai didn't belong. that is a FF game you just finished :P

[smokymcweed]

im all for the knight class samurais are so played out i dont want to see a repeat of ffxi where all other classes kept getting nerfed and the japan based class ie sam got improvements again and agian its not fair to the GLOBAL COMUNITY that said if yoshi and the team can keep the biased thing out of it then adding both classes is fine just dont pander to the sam first type of mindset

[kensredemption]

im all for the knight class samurais are so played out i dont want to see a repeat of ffxi where all other classes kept getting nerfed and the japan based class ie sam got improvements again and agian its not fair to the GLOBAL COMUNITY that said if yoshi and the team can keep the biased thing out of it then adding both classes is fine just dont pander to the sam first type of mindset

Is there no thread where you don't come off sounding like a condescending ass?

[Zenaku]

im all for the knight class samurais are so played out i dont want to see a repeat of ffxi where all other classes kept getting nerfed and the japan based class ie sam got improvements again and agian its not fair to the GLOBAL COMUNITY that said if yoshi and the team can keep the biased thing out of it then adding both classes is fine just dont pander to the sam first type of mindset

Samurai would be a Job for sure which means it be party base now it need a class to go with so they may come up with a class.

Seeing how all the jobs are base of FF history i don't see the issue here -.- there always going to be that 1 overpower class/job to do Event A and this Class/Job to do B,C,D so once again i don't see the issue i think you are just overreacting with this issue.

No matter what happen players would find the best job/class to do anything with and that just a issue SE would have to fix as they go with the game which never be fix 100% make all class/job the same people get bored of them fast.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I think the problem with the name Samurai itself is that, a Samurai in good ol' wartimes might have been trained in the sword, spear, bow, and/or unarmed combat (amongst possible other objects). And as time went on, it's something you're just born into (or forged with a family history scroll), it's usually not something you earned.

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On the Job / Class note: With Paladin being incorporated, I suppose it might be appropriate to have a katana/tachi-wielding class (i.e. fencer) with the ability to employ the Samurai job.

[Zenaku]

I think the problem with the name Samurai itself is that, a Samurai in good ol' wartimes might have been trained in the sword, spear, bow, and/or unarmed combat (amongst possible other objects). And as time went on, it's something you're just born into (or forged with a family history scroll), it's usually not something you earned.

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On the Job / Class note: With Paladin being incorporated, I suppose it might be appropriate to have a katana/tachi-wielding class (i.e. fencer) with the ability to employ the Samurai job.

ya but this is a game you can earned it.

[Griss]

The Samurai is a Japanese cultural icon of might and justice and all around awesome. It shares the same space as a Knight of medieval Europe and the Cowboy of the old west.

I was going to make a similar thread bit it was going to be more along the lines of Cultural hero's and villain's and how it might be interesting so see at least some of that put into the game.

Samurai vs Ninja ect. with more or less the goal of planting the idea that perhaps the American Cowboy or Gunslinger might be worthy of entering the pantheon of cultural icons that make it into eorzea

[Vyncent]

The Samurai is a Japanese cultural icon of might and justice and all around awesome. It shares the same space as a Knight of medieval Europe and the Cowboy of the old west.

I was going to make a similar thread bit it was going to be more along the lines of Cultural hero's and villain's and how it might be interesting so see at least some of that put into the game.

Samurai vs Ninja ect. with more or less the goal of planting the idea that perhaps the American Cowboy or Gunslinger might be worthy of entering the pantheon of cultural icons that make it into eorzea

Interesting stuff. Reminds me of the sharpshooter cowboy from FFVIII. What a great cutscene that was, taking aim during the parade and watching the bullet come to a stop.