Make 'Mentor' status reportable

[Canadane]

Are you asking for tips in your dungeons? Or are you expecting unsolicited advice?
Even new players sometimes like to learn as they go.

Kylki, you make it sound like you expect mentors to know everything and that they must supply this information to you in advance. Nothing regarding the mentor system makes one am expert. They're just going to be somewhat more familiar with the subject. Almost every dungeon cam be summed up as "kill the things, don't stand in colours.". If there's a specific mechanic you encounter and we're unsure of, all you gotta do is ask! Even if the mentor is unsure of an answer, that isn't a crime.

Please stop holding mentors on this lifted pedestal. I mean I'm one myself and while I love to give answers where I can, it's strange to see how dependant others can get on this.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Hi,

We should be able to report mentors that are mentors just for the mount, i.e. the mentors that wont explain anything, nor just a quick sum up of the fight (if you have X go to Y or stack up on Z etc..) in 2 to 3 lines like it was the case before 3.0.
Even if the 'not-knowing-the-strat-people' don't identify themselves, it is often plain obvious they don't know it and real mentors should act consequently (explaining the strat).

Suggestion summed up : being able to report mentors to deprive them of their mentors status should enough report be accounted for in order to force mentors to act as mentors not leeches.

Sorry if this report already exists but I didn't find any.

A mentor is not obligated to give advice unless asked. And even then, most fights can be explained in 2-3 sentences. Not to mention it's a two way street, newbies should put forth the effort in researching content they are not familiar with, there are tons of guides and videos available for one's perusal. Stop acting like mentors are beholden to you, such an entitled opinion. If mentors are being jerks and harassing you for being new then report them, but if they aren't doing anything to you then it should not be grounds for stripping mentor status.

Are you asking for tips in your dungeons? Or are you expecting unsolicited advice?
Even new players sometimes like to learn as they go.

Kylki, you make it sound like you expect mentors to know everything and that they must supply this information to you in advance. Nothing regarding the mentor system makes one am expert. They're just going to be somewhat more familiar with the subject. Almost every dungeon cam be summed up as "kill the things, don't stand in colours.". If there's a specific mechanic you encounter and we're unsure of, all you gotta do is ask! Even if the mentor is unsure of an answer, that isn't a crime.

Please stop holding mentors on this lifted pedestal. I mean I'm one myself and while I love to give answers where I can, it's strange to see how dependant others can get on this.

Pretty much this.

[Sil3ntxR3qui3m]

Are you asking for tips in your dungeons? Or are you expecting unsolicited advice?
Even new players sometimes like to learn as they go.

... you expect mentors to know everything and that they must supply this information to you in advance.

This. If you don't speak up, I will assume you've watched a video, read a guide, or just want to try facerolling it and see what happens. I don't want to be up in your face telling you what to do unless you specifically ask for it. Maybe that's just the kind of person I am. I'm not doing it for the mount or the roulette. I think I've only done the roulette a couple of times. I genuinely want to help people, but I get that others aren't in it for that. Things end up that way sometimes.

Tbh, I find more people berating me for explaining mechanics because they think they know it right even after I've copied and pasted off the wiki or something. There are pros and cons to giving advice.

[WinterLuna]

Tbh, I find more people berating me for explaining mechanics because they think they know it right even after I've copied and pasted off the wiki or something. There are pros and cons to giving advice.

This this this. And if being a Mentor becomes reportable for not giving advice off the bat? I'll gladly hand in my Mentor status. I love to help, but I won't be treated like crap either.

[Laerune]

Its SE's fault, they need to be open about what a mentor must do during a mentor roulette and what the consequences if said mentor does not follow this rule and they need to enforce it. I have met alot of mentors who were very rude, did not want to teach anything to a newcomer, rushed those newcomers and bullied some of them to quit the dungeon, so his friends can join it for a speed run. Those type of players have been reported many times, but still retain their mentor status, which means that either SE:

1. SE thinks what they did, does not justify removing their mentor status.
2. They do not care and lets this be a situtation that should be resolved between the players themselves.

I think the crown symbol and a flyiing 2-seater mount was a big mistake aswell. The crown will attract players that want to use the symbol as a status that they are more elite then those without a symbol and the mount will only encourage players to finish a mentor roulette as fast possible, this means that:

- They will push the newcomers to finish a dungeon as fast possible, so they can queue for the next one.
- Since the newcomers will go on a speed run, they will most likely not learn anything and be kicked if they are too slow.
- Players will insta-leave when they get non-guildhest, especially when they get put into a Extreme-trial or a dungeon that takes longer then 20 minutes to be cleared.

SE's developers are not idiots, they probably knew that this would happen, which gives me the idea that they do not care about the mentors who are not mentors in a mentor roulette.

[Seig345]

I'm disappointed to see this is such an issue. I recently came back to the game and learned about the mentor system by spotting that crown, and then finding the mentor npc and learning about the requirements.

I typically find myself too nervous to tank higher level content, and would intentionally queue for early content in order to help new players and potentially replace a missing tank, and seeing that there was a system with a roulette specifically to help sprouts appealed to me.

Then I see on the forums that there is a mount reward and that people are flouting the spirit behind the mentor system just to get it. I may not be surprised, but I'm still disappointed, and perhaps a little concerned that the abuse will lead to the system's abolishment.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I'm disappointed to see this is such an issue. I recently came back to the game and learned about the mentor system by spotting that crown, and then finding the mentor npc and learning about the requirements.

I typically find myself too nervous to tank higher level content, and would intentionally queue for early content in order to help new players and potentially replace a missing tank, and seeing that there was a system with a roulette specifically to help sprouts appealed to me.

Then I see on the forums that there is a mount reward and that people are flouting the spirit behind the mentor system just to get it. I may not be surprised, but I'm still disappointed, and perhaps a little concerned that the abuse will lead to the system's abolishment.

I was a bit like that at first. Lately I decided to progress from 50 WAR having not done endgame with it since 2.2. I suggest that you take a tank job into Deep Palace it really does help you learn the job and give you confidence.

[Seoulstar]

I was a bit like that at first. Lately I decided to progress from 50 WAR having not done endgame with it since 2.2. I suggest that you take a tank job into Deep Palace it really does help you learn the job and give you confidence.

I probably should do that myself since I'm still a bit afraid when it comes to tanking. But I'm slowly gaining confidence.

[cammi]

Meanwhile in Japan players are using it as it was attended. Why are we as a player base so greedy and selfish?

[Laerune]

Meanwhile in Japan players are using it as it was attended. Why are we as a player base so greedy and selfish?

Japan is a collectivist culture, whereas the Western is more individualistic. The NA/EU/AUS communites are made of players of different cultures, religions, values etc, but the Japanese community is mostly only made out of Japanese players who have the same culture, religion, values.

This makes it alot easier to agree on the way the community should play toghter.

EDIT: here is a little example from a article.

Japanese culture is focused on groups and communities. Satisfaction and pride is meant to be found within the group you belong to. In the United States, people tend to find satisfaction in their own accomplishments, and focus on their own aspirations. An example of this is that in Japanese business culture, employees tend to work for one company for their entire lives. Company loyalty is valued, and promotions are often given on a seniority basis. In America, people focus on their careers independent from the companies they work for, and will often change companies a number of times throughout their professional lives. Promotions are supposed to be given on a basis of merit. In Japan, this can also influence a mindset of how people live in society. People tend to follow rules more seriously, from something as simple as trying not to litter - which makes big cities like Tokyo surprisingly clean.