If you could make impovements to Deep dungeon...

[Kerii]

The flavour of the month with the development team - rng. A mechanic typical in Asian mmo's as a substitute for actual calculated abilities and rewards.
Never viewed this game as moving in that direction, yet here we are.

"You not get upgrade - unlucky!" "Me got upgrade, me lucky!" - typical ftp eastern import scenario

What? This is a dungeon type based on rougelike games. The "upgrades" only matter inside of this dungeon, and are randomized to encourage players to replay the same levels more than once. Sure it's used in FTP models, but you're way off base if you think that's where they got the idea.

[Ryaz]

What? This is a dungeon type based on rougelike games. The "upgrades" only matter inside of this dungeon, and are randomized to encourage players to replay the same levels more than once. Sure it's used in FTP models, but you're way off base if you think that's where they got the idea.

There's upgrades actually go towards getting your 235 weapon. You need 30 in each in order to get it. So, it does have an effect outside of the dungeon.

[Kerii]

There's upgrades actually go towards getting your 235 weapon. You need 30 in each in order to get it. So, it does have an effect outside of the dungeon.

That's cute and all, but off patch upgrades are only relevant for the remainder of the patch. ;D This "effect" will be moot on the first day of the next patch.

[Teraluna]

What? This is a dungeon type based on rougelike games. The "upgrades" only matter inside of this dungeon, and are randomized to encourage players to replay the same levels more than once. Sure it's used in FTP models, but you're way off base if you think that's where they got the idea.

I never said they got the idea - it's that this mechanism is here at all. I couldn't care less what it's based on, it's complete drivel.
It's not fun, it's an extremely poor mechanism for blatantly slowing progress for some and not others. How can this be good for people who find themselves having to run it over and over and getting very little?
Does it motivate them? No
It does the complete opposite.
That's the bottom line of rng - and why it needs removing from PotD.

[Felis]

There's upgrades actually go towards getting your 235 weapon. You need 30 in each in order to get it. So, it does have an effect outside of the dungeon.

But the effect of the ilevel 230 weapon is very small, because the are no "must have" with no alternatives

I never said they got the idea - it's that this mechanism is here at all. I couldn't care less what it's based on, it's complete drivel.
It's not fun, it's an extremely poor mechanism for blatantly slowing progress for some and not others. How can this be good for people who find themselves having to run it over and over and getting very little?
Does it motivate them? No

And still players buy rogue like dungeon crawler games, so not "free 2 play"
example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vrFsWkqk8s 40 Eur

That's the bottom line of rng - and why it needs removing from PotD.

Next fix the lv50 boss give you guranteed upgrades.

[Teraluna]

But the effect of the ilevel 230 weapon is very small, because the are no "must have" with no alternatives

And still players buy rogue like dungeon crawler games, so not "free 2 play"
example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vrFsWkqk8s 40 Eur


Next fix the lv50 boss give you guranteed upgrades.

If you are successful get a guaranteed reward. If you are not, then no reward.
What's the problem with that?
Oh I know, it wouldn't artificially hamper player's time and effort as a cover for shallow and poorly presented content.

[Felis]

If you are successful get a guaranteed reward. If you are not, then no reward.
What's the problem with that?
Oh I know, it wouldn't artificially hamper player's time and effort as a cover for shallow and poorly presented content.

But that will already come (guranteed upgrade if defeated floor 50 boss)

Increase time limit from 60 to 90 (or more)

and reduce the respawn rate to balance out the exp/time again

Really, 30 extra minutes would be too much and would kill the challenge in solo mode. 5 or 10 extra minutes will be enough.

[Teraluna]

But that will already come (guranteed upgrade if defeated floor 50 boss)


and reduce the respawn rate to balance out the exp/time again

Really, 30 extra minutes would be too much and would kill the challenge in solo mode. 5 or 10 extra minutes will be enough.

Although a step in the right direction, I don't think a +1 at the boss will completely solve what's happening. People are leaving/wiping when they see other players getting +3 or more from the run.
Was in a group earlier today when the tank & a dps quit at the end of lvl 49, and they'd both got more from the run than my +1.
Still did it with the two of us, but it shows that if the possibility is there for greater rng reward, some people will target that with little or no consideration to other group members.