Is this considering RMT by SE ?

[Celef]

Hi there,

Not here to start a troll thread or anything, just having a real question and i'd like, if possible, to have an answer from someone working for SE but first, a little example so everyone see the point :

In RIFT, they added a cashop too, with a "make a gift" function. Easy working you buy something for someone and it's sent in their mail box.
A new business started from that concept, buying a gift, heres how it works:

A has plenty of in game money but not in real life so you can't buy anything from CS, on the other hand, B is rich outside and want to make some in game money, the 2 agree on a price, A sends the found to B who buy in the CS using the make a gift option, everyone is happy and there is rainbows in the sky and flying unicorns.
Now, i don't think Trion ever made a statement regarding this and it seems to be working (used that function myself to get some glam i did not want to spend real money on) sooooo here is my question :

Does SE, sees this as RMT or not ? In other words, can I ask someone to buy me Fantasia for example in exchange for gils ?

Please, do not try to kill each others on this thread :3

[LunaFaye]

Does SE, sees this as RMT or not ? In other words, can I ask someone to buy me Fantasia for example in exchange for gils ?

Please, do not try to kill each others on this thread :3

They didn't liked people selling the wedding bracelets, there was a huge discussion about it as they were new. So it wouldn't surprise me, if anything else (if even trade able and fantasia isn't unless they changed that) would fall under the same category, whatever GM's wanna call it.

[Kio]

Trading in game items or currency for real money is real money trading. Will you be caught? Probably only if you advertised your intention on a forum post.

[Celef]

Well you can buy Fantasia for someone else using the make a gift function , my boy friend did it for me last month, for free of course (and a chicken curry ^^")

[Rinuko]

Its Real money trading, exacly what RMT stands for so...yes it is considered RMT in my book.

[Celef]

I always thought RMT was only trading real money for in game money, does it also applied to items, content clears etc ? i mean is there a real "definition" or does every game company has it's own ?
Also, no real money is exchanged in that situation only items and in game currencies so that's why i get confused about it

[worldofneil]

Real money (person buying the mogstation item) is being traded for something in the game (in-game currency or items), so yes, that's RMT.

If someone actually sends a gift without getting any compensation, that's okay, but as soon as they pay out real money and get compensation in another form (in-game currency or items) then it's no longer a gift and that is essentially a trade and RMT.

Does SE care though? Probably... as mentioned above they weren't at all happy about wedding bands being sold in game so I don't know what they may/may not do, but I would personally just play it safe and not get involved at all. But that's me

[Celef]

but I would personally just play it safe and not get involved at all. But that's me

Same as you but i was wondering because this : "I doubt it breaks the ToS. You spend your real money on them and you sell them to someone for gil in game. The cash isn't trading hands, it's going to SE." - source Reddit regarding the sell of weeding bracelet -
That sentence make me confused cause, well yes you are selling cash shop items for gils thus, it is RMT as stated by the definition BUT you don't get any real money, it all goes to SE and that's why, imho, Trion did not do anything regarding this, cause in the end, they are the winner, getting money they would not have get otherwise cause the buyer of the item would not have spend real money in the CS.

What do you guys think regarding that situation ?

[Niqote]

Well you can buy Fantasia for someone else using the make a gift function , my boy friend did it for me last month, for free of course (and a chicken curry ^^")

Real Curry Trading.

*has nothing to add other then a lul*

[Galactimus]

It's all semantics at this point.


A person gives you a Mogstation item as a gift, you shake their hand and name your first born son after them.
The holidays roll around and you remember that kind individual, giving them cute little minion worth 1 mil and saying Merry Christmas.


What's the difference? I'd hardly call it organized crime when SE is being paid for the item on Mogstation.