I am disappointed with Deep Dungeon

[WinterLuna]

I think some of us forget that not all content the game gives out is and will be intended for high lv endgame 100%

Content for new or returning players does not have to be almost mindless, though. This is supposed to be new for everyone, including end game players. They didn't have to make it difficult, there's just nothing remotely exciting about it.

[Deceptistar]

Content for new or returning players does not have to be almost mindless, though. This is supposed to be new for everyone, including end game players. They didn't have to make it difficult, there's just nothing remotely exciting about it.

atm probably. But somehow im a bit skeptical still.
back in XI nyzul/salvage, you go one way, something spawns, you go the other way, something else spawns,
you reach xx in xx min. something spawns. You reach xx without/with some xx item, something spawns.
At this point in time, it seems that not many have experimented on those types of mechanics, rather i see threads that even want more easy going timers.
Them having already build nyzul/salvage, i wouldnt be too quick to discount it as unexciting, because those dungeons back in XI were pretty mediocre if done the no brainer method. And it kinda looks like thats how deep dungeon is being run atm. The 'lalala im watching TV on teh side' run.

[Snugglebutt]

Content for new or returning players does not have to be almost mindless, though. This is supposed to be new for everyone, including end game players. They didn't have to make it difficult, there's just nothing remotely exciting about it.

It is the first 50 floors out of a planned 200, it will probably get harder with more mechanics and depth as more floors get added. What is at fault is 100% on you and your expectations which were wrong. SE explained in great detail what this content would be like and yet you still went in expecting it to be something else. The next set of floors they release will be the real indicator of what direction they are going with this overall.

[Caitlyn]

I m just a bit disappointed, that the difficulty doesnt scale with the amount of players.

As a 4-man group, its pretty easy to reach the 50th floor. But trying this solo, it will become more and more like palace of dark souls.

[MeiUshu]

You posted a comment about how it never matched your expectations and how that contributed to your disappointment. If you take offense to someone pointing you are responsible and at fault for your incorrect expectations despite SE being very clear about what to expect then you should not have brought that subject up.

I think I met my match in terms of bluntness.... and I agree with you to tall Snugglebutt

[Leigaon]

I can see how people could be disappointed in the content. It has its thrills, though thinking about it and the scope of the game they can only make it so difficult. I think they took small steps but can expand from there...

I was expecting puzzles as well but in the end I feel that after running it so many times people will either memorize the answers or look them up. Since there could only be so many you can implement, and with the rate people spam the content, it would becoming less of a fun challenge and more of a hassle for those who don't take their time and want to get in and out (which seems to be a majority of the player base). Not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just saying anything you put in is essentially limited by something. There's always going to be a bottleneck to the process.

The monsters themselves aren't horrible so far but I do notice if you treat it like a dungeon, and try to pull all the rooms. Unless you're prepared you're going to have a bad time. We did one where the mob gave us silence for 20 seconds or so but then more spawned. We got hit and some died to dual manticores being fought with other mobs. Going in seeing HP / MP increase, or abilities unavailable was nice to see.

For me, it showed how much the defensive play style of this game is lacking. I was taking poison off of people but after a bit I figured, why bother? The no auto regen being disabled made me toss in a cure every now and then if we didn't have a tank. We got no abilities, but someone used an item and it was gone. Being blind didn't hinder us at all. Debuffs, and the need for esuna hasn't been so dire to use yet.

The bosses have potential but they are dying fast. We did one last night and he ran into the center to cast fear on the party, you knew what to do..well..some. Some got hit with it, but the guy was at 1% so..didn't matter.

It could be a wonderful way to introduce end-game mechanics from these bosses to make it hard. You can make the bosses random, but even then after so long you will know exactly what to expect. It all eventually goes into memorization, or someone telling you. I'd like to see Ex primals or their moves come into play. People still die from landslides, dive bombs are hated, or a Levi / Ramuh based one.

I like it so far..I can see where they could make it more difficult but also I see how things like Slow / Blind / Poison are very weak in the scope of the game.

[MeiUshu]

[QUOTE=WinterLuna;3788164]That's rich coming from someone who just wrote a condescending paragraph to a player for making a comment to you on a public forum.[/QUOT

The more you comment in that tone, WinterLuna, the more it invalidates your comments and opinions and reinforces the post of Snugglebutt who is totally correct in his answer to you and all the way... If you have a comment to make to him about his other thread...I suggest you go and post there.

Lets keep this uhmm post of yours on track...as, at least to me, is always interesting to see what were the expectations of people on this topic especially when SE described at lenght what to expect in there, prior or the day it was release, so why you are disappointed about what you found in there when you went in there with prior knowledge to what to expect is beyond me.

Maybe you can explain ????

[WinterLuna]

why you are disappointed about what you found in there when you went in there with prior knowledge to what to expect is beyond me.

Maybe you can explain ????

Wait.. what? People are allowed to dislike something just because they knew what it entailed. By your logic, everyone should like everything in the game and never complain because we already read about it in the patch notes. I have no idea why people are trying to use this as an argument against me being disappointed, it's absolutely ridiculous.

[MeiUshu]

read again....I asked you why you had expectations when you knew what to expect prior to go in there ?
that was my question

Whether you like it or not is not what is the purpose of my question. You can still like it or not without linking it to *your expections*

On a side note, his tone was not rude, Blunt ...not rude

[Cnidarian]

Snip

This is a false statement, in fact, when Palace of the Dead was first announced at PAX East, it was mentioned that this would be content for people of all levels to enjoy. One thing people appear to forget, the reason why the entry level is 17 is for people of all levels to play together. Many of us have invited friends to play, but any time we try to do things with them. It isn't fun running the lowbie dungeons repeatedly as a level 60 nor is it fun to run around helping them with FATEs as a level 60 in 2.0 zones. This content was designed to give an even playing field for players in this situation.

Please go to 52:20 for proof.

Looking Heavensward - PAX East 2016