I am disappointed with Deep Dungeon

[MeiUshu]

[QUOTE=WinterLuna;3788164]That's rich coming from someone who just wrote a condescending paragraph to a player for making a comment to you on a public forum.[/QUOT

The more you comment in that tone, WinterLuna, the more it invalidates your comments and opinions and reinforces the post of Snugglebutt who is totally correct in his answer to you and all the way... If you have a comment to make to him about his other thread...I suggest you go and post there.

Lets keep this uhmm post of yours on track...as, at least to me, is always interesting to see what were the expectations of people on this topic especially when SE described at lenght what to expect in there, prior or the day it was release, so why you are disappointed about what you found in there when you went in there with prior knowledge to what to expect is beyond me.

Maybe you can explain ????

[WinterLuna]

why you are disappointed about what you found in there when you went in there with prior knowledge to what to expect is beyond me.

Maybe you can explain ????

Wait.. what? People are allowed to dislike something just because they knew what it entailed. By your logic, everyone should like everything in the game and never complain because we already read about it in the patch notes. I have no idea why people are trying to use this as an argument against me being disappointed, it's absolutely ridiculous.

[Cnidarian]

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This is a false statement, in fact, when Palace of the Dead was first announced at PAX East, it was mentioned that this would be content for people of all levels to enjoy. One thing people appear to forget, the reason why the entry level is 17 is for people of all levels to play together. Many of us have invited friends to play, but any time we try to do things with them. It isn't fun running the lowbie dungeons repeatedly as a level 60 nor is it fun to run around helping them with FATEs as a level 60 in 2.0 zones. This content was designed to give an even playing field for players in this situation.

Please go to 52:20 for proof.

Looking Heavensward - PAX East 2016

[bass9020]

This is a false statement, in fact, when Palace of the Dead was first announced at PAX East, it was mentioned that this would be content for people of all levels to enjoy. One thing people appear to forget, the reason why the entry level is 17 is for people of all levels to play together. Many of us have invited friends to play, but any time we try to do things with them. It isn't fun running the lowbie dungeons repeatedly as a level 60 nor is it fun to run around helping them with FATEs as a level 60 in 2.0 zones. This content was designed to give an even playing field for players in this situation.

Please go to 52:20 for proof.

Looking Heavensward - PAX East 2016

Fair enough. I guess I assumed it was shown off as something different I don't know why. But we all know what happens when you ASSume. Thanks for linking this, I will refrain from saying that from now on.

[Zojha]

Also this is great for new people coming into the game the last thing they want to do is scare them off.

Egh, could just put a disclaimer upon accepting the quest:"You are about to engage in content that expects a high level of gameplay experience. Do you wish to proceed?"

Personally, I'm expecting the later floors to simply have more and more frequent environmental hazards (debuffs), more traps and higher HP enemies/bigger groups, more and more mandating a proper trinity setup. Maybe they'll pick up on the door idea and have mobs randomly drop keys - and if you are unlucky, you'll just spawncamp one of the tiles until the damn key drops >_>

Not looking forward to it, personally. I'm not having high expectations.

[Xenosan]

Solo Palace of the Dead is Iron Man mode

Pomanders of Sight (see traps) and Pomanders of Safety (remove traps) are like.. mandatory. Hugging walls hasn't helped me avoid traps. They can be placed there. Favorite trap thus far had to be 4x Palace Hornet Spawn. Might have been able to survive as another job, but solo I think that trap is a death sentence.. ..and now time to re-queue ; ;

Is there an achievement for completing solo? If not maybe there should. There's no reason to run solo (progression) except for the challenge (or farming, but farming what?). I've only been doing it solo.. and it has been very slow progress. But definitely has the Iron Mode mode feel of XCOM, TW, CK, etc.

...Traps traps traps ugh thanks RNG for putting that landmine right there. THANKS.

?Can you start with a group, complete 1-10 with group, then proceed to 11-20 solo (or with a different group?, or that requires the different save?

[Nestama]

Pomanders of Sight (see traps) and Pomanders of Safety (remove traps) are like.. mandatory. Hugging walls hasn't helped me avoid traps. They can be placed there. Favorite trap thus far had to be 4x Palace Hornet Spawn. Might have been able to survive as another job, but solo I think that trap is a death sentence.. ..and now time to re-queue ; ;

I think people have said you can outrun Final Sting.

[Reinha]

Solo Palace of the Dead is Iron Man mode

Pomanders of Sight (see traps) and Pomanders of Safety (remove traps) are like.. mandatory. Hugging walls hasn't helped me avoid traps. They can be placed there. Favorite trap thus far had to be 4x Palace Hornet Spawn. Might have been able to survive as another job, but solo I think that trap is a death sentence.. ..and now time to re-queue ; ;

Is there an achievement for completing solo? If not maybe there should. There's no reason to run solo (progression) except for the challenge (or farming, but farming what?). I've only been doing it solo.. and it has been very slow progress. But definitely has the Iron Mode mode feel of XCOM, TW, CK, etc.

...Traps traps traps ugh thanks RNG for putting that landmine right there. THANKS.

?Can you start with a group, complete 1-10 with group, then proceed to 11-20 solo (or with a different group?, or that requires the different save?

Finally someone who answered the question! I don't think there's an achievement. That would be fun though. If I get to the end solo I'm going to take a screenshot for a trophie. :P

You can't change comp mid way I think. I couldn't even change jobs on my fixed party save. However if you do matched party mode you get a different group each round but you can't solo in between.

[heynowjose]

Honestly I had way more fun in diadem than I did in PotD.
And in Diadem I worked my butt off to get pegasus and you could get armor that was good and relevant. It was way more interactive and fun (at least for me). PotD has been boring and being forced to do floors 1-20 again and again when your arm and armor are at 21 or up is messed up. Like just let me pick the floors that allow me to improve my arm and armor. Don't waste my time

[WinterLuna]

I was just thinking about another games similar content (pretty much the same thing as Deep Dungeon) but they utilised SO many aspects of the game. Yep, Runescape 'Dungeoneering'.

They had different colour keys for different rooms, had weapons and armour actually drop so killing mobs was exciting, and even used gathering and crafting classes such as setting fire to trees which blocked doors. This can easily be implemented into FF. They also had really fun puzzles and riddles to access rooms. All of those were optional though so nobody could complain about progression if they didn't have the levels.

Those are just a few examples to add some depth into the content.