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  1. #271
    Player
    Allistar's Avatar
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    Asael K'ni'roux
    World
    Halicarnassus
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Actually deep dungeon is based off the deep dungeon from FFT...go look it up you'll see.
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  2. #272
    Player Fourbestintoner's Avatar
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    Melodiane Valerian
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    Masamune
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    Black Mage Lv 42
    It's Palace of the Dead from Tactics Ogre.
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  3. #273
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    Bebekurenai's Avatar
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    Windurst
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    Maya Sop
    World
    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    On PS4, you can actually move the map by using the virtual mouse option for your controller. Thats what I did to move it because yes omg it was so terrible there. Couldn't stand it..

    I'm not sure if it can be made smaller however.
    Yes you can move it, but honestly, I haven't found an ideal spot for it considering the huge size. I moved it a little bit, but I can't fit it correctly without cluttering the screen or have it on top of other things D:
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  4. #274
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    randysquirrel's Avatar
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    Phoenix Silver
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    Odin
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Bebekurenai View Post
    Yes you can move it, but honestly, I haven't found an ideal spot for it considering the huge size. I moved it a little bit, but I can't fit it correctly without cluttering the screen or have it on top of other things D:
    you can resize the map and the character window thing with the pomanders, by activating it then pressing r3 ( I think, might be l3)
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  5. #275
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    Bebekurenai's Avatar
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    Maya Sop
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    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    you can resize the map and the character window thing with the pomanders, by activating it then pressing r3 ( I think, might be l3)
    I will try again I'm sure I tried it before but maybe I'm being silly.
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  6. #276
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    Cakekizyy's Avatar
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    Cakellene St
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    Gungnir
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bebekurenai View Post
    Yes you can move it, but honestly, I haven't found an ideal spot for it considering the huge size. I moved it a little bit, but I can't fit it correctly without cluttering the screen or have it on top of other things D:
    I keep it closed unless need to look real quick.
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  7. #277
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    -snip-
    Except the end portal explicitly tells you its saving your progress. "Would you like to save your progress and exit the dungeon?"

    I guess most people just do not read the exit portal text otherwise they would know this.
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  8. #278
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    Except the end portal explicitly tells you its saving your progress. "Would you like to save your progress and exit the dungeon?"

    I guess most people just do not read the exit portal text otherwise they would know this.
    People don't read anything in general. Why was Steps of Faith "hard"? People ignored the NPC barking orders. Why do we have people at level 60 not knowing basic rotations? They don't read their skill info and tooltips. Why do we got players that don't understand the story or make false assumptions? Because they speed through the text to reach the end game where they can sit in Idylshire with their friends.
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  9. #279
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    Fynlar Eira
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Except the end portal explicitly tells you its saving your progress. "Would you like to save your progress and exit the dungeon?"
    Thing is, that isn't even true. It gets saved if you voluntarily exit after killing the boss, even if you don't use the portal (for instance, it gets saved if you kill the boss then open the DF menu and select leave, in which case the prompt that comes up is the usual "Abandon duty?" and mentions nothing about saving). The exit portal has nothing to do with saving your progress.

    Once people realize this, it's not exactly difficult to make the logical leap and assume that it's killing the boss that saves your progress. The game never makes an effort to tell you "oh, you can avoid saving by d/cing yourself, as unintuitive as that is!"

    This isn't a matter of not reading, it's a matter of the right information not being written to us.

    People don't read anything in general. Why was Steps of Faith "hard"? People ignored the NPC barking orders.
    Again, not really a matter of not reading, it was a combined matter of mechanics still being unclear despite what the NPC said + the fight being way too 1-shotty in general for anyone besides tanks.

    Plenty of people did not, and still do not, know how to use the cannons. The cannons were pretty much vital pre-nerf and even post-nerf they are highly, highly advised. In addition to this, tanks that don't realize that focusing any effort on Vishap is useless and they should be positioning adds in front of Vishap to get cannoned, and DPS not realizing that unlike nearly any other fight with adds in the game, they actually should not be focusing on adds here, and should be saving them for the cannons. If any one of these things is going wrong, the effectiveness of the cannons drops significantly.

    If nobody else besides you has done the fight before you can pretty much guarantee that you're on dragonkiller duty, because nobody else will know where to go to activate those. They're kinda off the beaten path and nothing really indicates "hey, go up here", and by the time anyone figures it out the opportunity will probably already be lost. What to do with the snares on the 2nd and 3rd dragonkiller isn't intuitive to everyone, either (and also something the NPC does not specifically instruct you on how to handle).
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 07-25-2016 at 09:29 AM.

  10. #280
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    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Fiona Greentear
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner View Post
    It's Palace of the Dead from Tactics Ogre.
    Palace of the Dead is just this set of floors. The content is called Deep Dungeon.
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