I am disappointed with Deep Dungeon

[FoxyAreku]

The hardest part about the deep dungeon was trying to keep myself awake doing it. It does feel like just going corridor to corridor of mobs, pick your poms, and proceed. The concepts they added into it add no layer of depth. I was expecting more objectives to take on and I was highly disappointed. Perhaps my fault for expecting something more from SE.

Difficulty isn't even the issue here. It is just boring. It should of had random generated puzzles, unique objectives, and so on. With the amount of EXP it gives, it honestly is no different than doing a dungeon on the DF. At least with a DF dungeon, you don't need to mess with the save system.

It is baffling this goes through SE's testers and no one complains that it feels dull, boring, and uninspired. But hey! I think the job sprites look cool!

Why is SE's idea for content is just throwing wave of mobs at us? They play way too safe and don't think outside the box. Which is sad, because 2.0, the first patch had a lot of unique things going on and now SE just makes shallow content.

I really gotta disagree and chalk it up to 'different strokes for different folks'.

I find this to be really fun, especially if you go in as all DPS jobs. Really have to use teamwork and focus stuff down and use items smartly.

I could see it being boring if you went in with a generic trinity setup though, but even doing it with a healer with me I still had fun. It's a lot like diablo or mystery dungeon to me-those games don't have 'puzzles' or anything like that, maybe you just don't like dungeon crawling?

[bass9020]

I really gotta disagree and chalk it up to 'different strokes for different folks'.

I find this to be really fun, especially if you go in as all DPS jobs. Really have to use teamwork and focus stuff down and use items smartly.

I could see it being boring if you went in with a generic trinity setup though, but even doing it with a healer with me I still had fun. It's a lot like diablo or mystery dungeon to me-those games don't have 'puzzles' or anything like that, maybe you just don't like dungeon crawling?

Its no different from any other dungeon other than you can be any role you want. It adds no variety or mechanics that would make it less like a normal dungeon and more of a trial of sorts. They can make content interesting with puzzles and objectives and still have it fun and not difficult.

[FoxyAreku]

Its no different from any other dungeon other than you can be any role you want. It adds no variety or mechanics that would make it less like a normal dungeon and more of a trial of sorts. They can make content interesting with puzzles and objectives and still have it fun and not difficult.

More enemy mechanics like the slime explosions or the rhinos tank busting and stuff would be welcome, but actual puzzles and the stuff you're asking for would go against what they are trying to do.

If you've never played a mystery dungeon game, maybe you should, because I feel like that is what this is trying to simulate, and it does a good job of that.

[Velhart]

More enemy mechanics like the slime explosions or the rhinos tank busting and stuff would be welcome, but actual puzzles and the stuff you're asking for would go against what they are trying to do.

If you've never played a mystery dungeon game, maybe you should, because I feel like that is what this is trying to simulate, and it does a good job of that.

Problem is we have plenty of content where you go in and simply kill mobs. There isn't much of a thought process on what you do in there. It really needs to be spiced up with a variety of objectives to complete to be interesting. This is "playing it safe content" at it's finest.

[Thayos]

Its no different from any other dungeon other than you can be any role you want. It adds no variety or mechanics that would make it less like a normal dungeon and more of a trial of sorts.

It's significantly different than normal dungeons.

Normal dungeons are 100 percent scripted. These are completely unscripted. The maps are random, chests give different advantages and traps can cause deaths or wipes of people aren't careful where they step. Not to mention these dungeons have their own unique progression system to add to the uniqueness.

If anything, Deep Dungeons is a great balance to the normal dungeon system, but by no means are these content types carbon copies of each other.

EDIT: I totally wouldn't mind though if SE decided to make normal dungeons more like Deep Dungeons going forward. Imagine having storyline dungeons that were designed to fit a certain theme, with random "hallway" maps connecting larger fixed rooms where more interesting fights/mechanics could be in play. Doubt SE will go that far, but a paladin can hope.

[silentwindfr]

you realize create procedural content and add new variable take time and balance, the advantage of this system it's they can upgrade it, add new type of monster, more floor, new objective and who know what....
you can't expect this sort of mods to have everything from get go. soo far it's far better than diadem, people saying the inverse are simply weird, i'm sorry but that my feeling.

Diadem was you get tons of people to the same place for not move for more of 40 minute to chain kill the same monster over and over and over and over.

indeed in deep dungeon we are killing monster, opening chest and that most of it. but at least the monster vary with new mechanic added and if you don't go with the optimum group, believe me it's a challenge, try to go without healer and tank.

More enemy mechanics like the slime explosions or the rhinos tank busting and stuff would be welcome, but actual puzzles and the stuff you're asking for would go against what they are trying to do.

If you've never played a mystery dungeon game, maybe you should, because I feel like that is what this is trying to simulate, and it does a good job of that.

exactly that

[Stormfur]

I think I remember reading somewhere that the next 50 floors will be story related? So maybe we'll have some more interesting challenges there? I think this round was just an alternative to grinding Tam Tara and Toto Rak for your other classes.

[NovaLevossida]

Deep Dungeon looked like it was based on Nyzul Isle. It has a lot of things in common with Nyzul Isle. But why is it so much worse than Nyzul Isle? Treasures of Aht Urgan came out 10 years ago for FFXI. How is it that a decade later that they make the same general concept of content again but do it worse in every conceivable way but one (leveling jobs in there)? The main problem with XIV's content for combat classes is that it always is designed with a lowest common denominator approach to the point where it's only about fighting mobs. Look at what Diadem could have been, and look at what it ended up as. Look at what Nyzul Isle was, and look at what Deep Dungeon ended up as. It's just the same thing as regular dungeons with some randomness thrown in. There's nothing interesting about "kill things that are blocking your progress."

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/N..._Investigation

[Snugglebutt]

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In interviews they said this dungeon was based on games like Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon which they specifically mentioned as a point of reference. I think they also mentioned somewhere but can't remember where that this is a nostalgic throwback to the old FF games of the past, even the character icons are in the style old nostalgic FF toons as is the UI for it. If you have evidence of them saying at any stage it was based on Nyzul Isle I would be willing to take a look but it wouldn't be much of a nostalgic throwback though if they made it overly complex compared to how those old games were.

[NovaLevossida]

In interviews they said this dungeon was based on games like Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon which they specifically mentioned as a point of reference. I think they also mentioned somewhere but can't remember where that this is a nostalgic throwback to the old FF games of the past, even the character icons are in the style old nostalgic FF toons as is the UI for it. If you have evidence of them saying at any stage it was based on Nyzul Isle I would be willing to take a look but it wouldn't be much of a nostalgic throwback though if they made it overly complex compared to how those old games were.

I never claimed that they said Nyzul was the inspiration, only that it is very similar in concept to Nyzul in the only other FF MMO they've made and am questioning why the implementation here of the concept is so much worse than what we got a decade ago. If their actual inspiration is something of lower quality than what Nyzul was, it doesn't really change the fact that we still got a better and more interesting thing a decade ago.