A DRG's thoughts on the Impulse Rush and Weapon throw nerfs

[NoelNoel]

Having raided on all 3 melees and tried all 3 in PVP (NIN not so much) DRG is definitely the hardest to play. MNK is a lot more easier than DRG to play adequately. You literaly don't need to worry about anything for your CDs on MNK, it's just attack attack attack, whereas on DRG you need to pay attention to Blood of the Dragon to max your dmg, and depending on CC going you need to interrupt your rotation to go back to heavy thrust. MNK is very linear.
On top of that your 2 MNK offensive pvp abilities help you regain GL3 asap in case you'd lose it. Idk how to dumb down a job more than that.

Tried DRG in Feast a bit after the nerf, I really miss weapon throw...

[Evangela]

Taking away Weapon Throw from melee DPS is stupid. It's not like we have so many tools to stop the target to begin with beside our stuns that last like 2 seconds or something. Ranged DPS can bind and heavy people for like 10 seconds.

[Vaeria]

Up to this point in time, haven't really cared that mnk was said to be stronger than drg anymore than mch was said to be better than brd pvp-wise as Im under the impression it simply matters in whose hands said job is in. As drg, numbers be damned, I got to wear heavier body armor as well as legally jump on lalas (secure- stairs where youre on the second set and one is coming up the 1st XD) so Ive just enjoyed the job for its own particular style. And while the Impulse Rush/Enliven thing is....annoying...at best, havent found it too bad to deal with. Whats finally gotten to me is the Weapon Toss removal. Mnk and Nin both have movement enhancement/ lower CD/ 'grappling tools" to ease the loss of this. If DF and SD are down for drg, kinda feels like youre in a dream chasing that person you can naver catch up with. Ive actually noticed, while playing brd, its gotten a LOT easier to kite drg in feast because of this. Its just got me wondering who the hell is making some of these decisions, and based off what? Instead of taking it away..why not just give it to tanks AS WELL?

Ultimately in feast, feels like you begin to fight the person much more than the job so largely, this chipping away at drgs abilities doesnt seem TOO scary. Still in some fights more than others, me am starting to feel it. I actually tried out mnk for about a week back when 8 vs 8 feast was going more and it felt pretty good, better than I expected, but I found I simply enjoy drg more. So Im just hoping they kinda lay off it for a while lol.

[Dimitrii]

Ive actually noticed, while playing brd, its gotten a LOT easier to kite drg in feast because of this. Its just got me wondering who the hell is making some of these decisions, and based off what?

If I had to guess I would say the reason SE removed weapon throw from the melees is the introduction of Wanderers Minuet to Bard (and the existence of Gauss Barrel for MCH) since 2.0 along with the spell interruption buff from last season. They probably noticed most BRD/MCH will full time the turret stances now with the spell interruption buff and with BLM being a turret job itself and SMN already nerfed they must have figured the melees no longer need the ability. I personally don't find BRD to be too difficult myself to keep on top of as DRG, since Blast shot has a pretty long recast and BRD's become relatively harmless if you force them to take off WM in favor of running, but MCH with that 30 sec recast 15 yalm knockback become a serious problem for DRGs.

[NovaLevossida]

I know this is about The Feast, but I can tell you in Shatter, Dragoon are far more powerful than Ninja and Monk from what I have seen with my Black Mage.
For me, this nerf is a good thing

The magic nerf to ice in Shatter also affected NIN. It's now more effective to throw a shuriken at the ice, and NIN is on top of the target.

[Rain_Art]

I'll be honest with you guys, i was main drg in the feast in the first season, and drg were the most used melee in the Chaos DC and if you were smart enough you could 100-0 anyone (beside tank) in a few seconds. And you have to think that Impulse Rush was designated for the old drg that couldn't do his CT combo if he didn't get the right positional and now he doesn't really need it, while the mnk is heavily dependant on the positional to do dps or it's no match for drg, can't really talk about ninja because i rarely seen it in pvp and i don't really use it much so i won't even consider it. So this is a fair change for the NIN and MNK.

The only thing i hate is the Weapon Throw change which i don't really understand...

[Divinemights]

I'll be honest with you guys, i was main drg in the feast in the first season, and drg were the most used melee in the Chaos DC and if you were smart enough you could 100-0 anyone (beside tank) in a few seconds. And you have to think that Impulse Rush was designated for the old drg that couldn't do his CT combo if he didn't get the right positional and now he doesn't really need it, while the mnk is heavily dependant on the positional to do dps or it's no match for drg, can't really talk about ninja because i rarely seen it in pvp and i don't really use it much so i won't even consider it. So this is a fair change for the NIN and MNK.

The only thing i hate is the Weapon Throw change which i don't really understand...

SE probably believed that Fetter Ward + Weapon Throw is too much for meeles from their perspectives, especially when Ninja obtained Fetter Ward too.

[Dimitrii]

I'll be honest with you guys, i was main drg in the feast in the first season, and drg were the most used melee in the Chaos DC and if you were smart enough you could 100-0 anyone (beside tank) in a few seconds.

This just means your data center is vastly different from the NA data centers and you have no decent monks in it (if you are legitimately gonna claim mnk is no match for drg). The best player in the NA is a monk on Aether and both Aether and Primal last season had tons of monks up and down the leaderboards. It was the most common melee by far in Primal last season precisely because of the superior tools the job brought to the table over drg and nin. Yeah DRG has the superior burst but it's on a longer cool down over monk who can burst more frequently, is not as obvious as drg, and now was helped out with enliven buff. DRG only having that burst going for them isn't that impressive when BRD and MCH exist still.

[Guesswhat]

In Feast I guess it matters more than in frontline (obviously). If monk really was the best melee pvp job, removing weapon throw certainly is a nerf. I can already recall many situations -as monk- in both feast and frontline where lack of weaponthrow made target escape.

In frontline I can't see how this is a magnificent nerf to drg. There are too many variables too consider for me from the top of my head.