House sale

[Aflink]

I am CONSIDERING selling my medium house in the mist. There has been a lot of feed back that this is against ToS. I have yet to read it in ToS myself, after actually reading ToS. Can someone point out where this is exactly? I have contacted GMs, and they have failed to adequately respond that it is or is not allowed, and all forums have been without actual sited fact from the game itself.

So I am led to believe that it is in fact allowed, as long as it isn't an RMT action or scam (run away with the money and not relinquish).

Do not respond speculatively, please cite your source.

Thanks.

[LunaFaye]

ToS haven't been updated as far as I know and probably won't be in the future. It was mentioned in one of the live interviews, as players asked Yoshi the question, if houses are allowed to be sold. His respond to that was the following : "houses/plots can't be sold for exorbitant prices and you can't buy housing just to flip it, and that is reportable. Link to the Interview.

Therefore, yes it is allowed to sell your house IF you keep it reasonable. However if you plan on selling your house for 25x the original price and be found to sell more than one plot, GM's might give you a tab on the hand and tell you to stop GL

[coco1851]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Selling+houses

[Snugglebutt]

The only two allowed options are relinquish (no gil returned) and reclaim (large percentage of gil returned but not all of it). Reclaim is on hold at the moment but will be coming back later. SE may or may not put in place an alternative instant resell to NPC option at less than what paid for it in the future then that NPC places it back on the market at the in-game official pricing but for the time being the only options allowed are reclaim and relinquish. The claim that it is okay to sell as long as do not charge huge amounts is not true, your still making someone pay more than the maximum price SE already set for plots.

[Judah_Brandt]

GMs have received a directive to suspend or ban any player attempting to purchase or sell plots of land. There are still people who somehow interpret this incorrectly and say "but you can still sell it at a reasonable price!" But in actuality, you're not selling anything as it is a server side asset, and any Gil you charge is considered exorbitant due to the fact that the player must still physically purchase the plot from the server after you relinquish the land. Doesn't matter if it is 1 Gil or 10 Million, it's against the Terms of Service and you're at risk of being punished.

[Aflink]

Yes, I see what you are saying about it being against terms of service, as I keep hearing it....but where does it say that? You aren't doing RMT, and if you have had it for a long time, sunk 100m+ into it, and sell it for say 20m, then you certainly aren't profiting from it. So how is this against terms of service? Where EXACTLY does it specify this?

[Snugglebutt]

Yes, I see what you are saying about it being against terms of service, as I keep hearing it....but where does it say that? You aren't doing RMT, and if you have had it for a long time, sunk 100m+ into it, and sell it for say 20m, then you certainly aren't profiting from it. So how is this against terms of service? Where EXACTLY does it specify this?

The ToS is deliberately worded loosely not for your benefit of finding loopholes but for SE's benefit of allowing them more freedom to deal with more potential issues than writing every possible past, present and future abuse. They would only update the ToS when such new abuse cannot be covered by one of their previous ones which is not the case for estate/plot reselling as they consider that already covered in the ToS. For example a GM in the thread linked mentioned it falling under inappropriate behavior to resell plots or estates whether through PF or other methods.

[Aflink]

I have emailed the GM about this, and I have gotten responses like:
"We understand that you have been discharged from your fc and lost your room..." (totally off topic)

And..."we cannot provide guides or info on in-game mechanics..."

Still not close....

So even if I sold it and was sent to GM jail, they can't say I didn't try to find the answer.

[Aflink]

ToS doesn't mention property sales at all

[AlphaFox]

Only thing I have come to understand is as long as your not making a profit on the house sell then its fine. I.E you pay 2mil, you can resale for 2mil. Nothing more. So you can sink 100mil into a home but if you only paid the initial cost of 10 or w.e, then that is all your allowed. I could be wrong but that is what I get by not reselling for profit.