People Abusing the "Vote to Dismiss" System to Avoid Penalty

[Ashett]

How to "Exit a Duty in a Public Duty Finder Dungeon/Trial While Avoiding a Penalty" Tutorial


#1. Choose "Vote to Abandon". The more group wipes, the more likely players will approve of the duty dismissal. This is the lighter, and more considerate option of the 4, and is the only one approved by the community.


#2. If the vote fails, refuse to play. Run into the enemy aoe attacks and commit suicide. Others will have no choice but to kick you or end the duty, especially if you "were" a must-needed Tank or Healer.


#3. If the duty is still active; Remain AFK until you are auto-kicked, or until other players vote you out.

Originally, players would just go offline for 5 to 10 mins, causing the group to kick them out of instincts. It had been like that for some time. But as of today, we have self-entitled cons who don't even do that anymore.

[Ashett]

I recorded footage during Ravana EX of a Scholar player, whose name will be kept out of this topic for obvious reasons, where after 3 wipes, they blatantly did a "rejected" #1... and then a #3 after begging to be kicked. They could have exited the game. If it was an emergency, they could have just left. INSTEAD, they sent this message...

"i am giong to afk then" (no typos)

20 mins of them standing around doing nothing until he finally left. Most likely due to the auto-afk. It was an outright abuse of the system.
Naturally, myself and many others reported the healer after we were forced to disband the duty for lack of players. Generally, Square Enix staff is on the case when a problem arises in the game. They're quite active, and have even helped me out personally in the past. But as as far as I know with this particular instance, Enix did Frick all!! The abuser gets away scot free, and everyone else who wanted to continue playing only has their time wasted.

[Ashett]

The reason this is happening is because there are no repercussions for offenders. There is no consequence for being kicked out of a game, and can just reque immediately as if nothing ever happened. And worse: there are no punishments for the amount of times this can be abused!!! We are at a point now where people refuse to take responsibility for a rage quit thanks to this loop-hole. And they will continue to manipulate it as well as everyone else until something is done about it.

SHAME on those who do #2 and #3.

[Esp]

You can bypass the post limit by editing your posts by the way xD

[Ashett]

You can bypass the post limit by editing your posts by the way xD

Didn't know that. Thank you.

[Ninster]

At some point I really wanted to make a thread on this, because this is where a number of checks and balances regarding leaving duties left a gaping eyesore of a loophole.

The penalty for leaving a duty was instated to prevent in-progress fishers and to keep queues from going through numerous withdrawals before people actually committed, if I understand correctly.
Vote kick was meant for the removal of people that proved problematic or detrimental to duty progress; that is, someone disconnected or someone was trolling or harassing the other players.

Yet somehow, we have four options that we as players are asked to interpret very widely as excuses for the kick, and short of following up with a report, a vote dismissal comes with no punishment (well, aside from duty progress but that's dependent on how much stake you put in getting it cleared). On the contrary, the players INITIATING the vote kick DO suffer from this: it's either wait for a replacement or abandon the duty, usually after a long enough wait has occurred.

I really would like the dev team to review the current system, and see just how backwards the result is. Just a few ideas off the top of my head:

Add in an option for "Play Style Difference" in vote dismiss: upon dismissal the player is then given a suggestion to review the training from the Hall of the Novice and undertake additional class/job training. Something that is, of course, not the game being mean-spirited.

For "Harassment" and "Cheating": I'm not sure if this is already done, but I would think a report would be sent to the GMs for these reasonings. Maybe give this a 15-20 minute lockout or until the GMs review? I'm aware that abuse of this option is possible, but I'm not really sure how to failsafe this without being overly inconvenient.

Make the default duty lockout for abandoning considerably less. 10 minutes? 5 minutes? Something that makes this the "better" option than the outright trolling and griefing that would lead to a "Harassment" kick.

I'm not sure what to do about the 3-strike withdrawal penalty, if anything, given this is a different issue.

Anyway, I would've liked to make a discussion thread that hopefully the community team could pass on to the devs about this subject. It's really sad how backwards this is.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

If a person is begging to be kicked to avoid the penalty, report them.

[bounddreamer]

I've had people beg to be kicked because their gear broke. My healer told them "take your penalty. You should have repaired, it's your responsibility." The next time we were out of combat, they dropped.

If only everyone was so considerate.

[HyperiusUltima]

Well, people kinda have the expectation that you're equipped and ready to go. Ofc, if you're a crafter, you can repair in-dungeon with the Repair Command(and it can last longer!). The main thing that irks me the most is people who will do anything to troll a duty, be it mess up a certain wipe mechanic or in the case of Tank/Healer, be an outright idiot and try to create a Hate War(or just not heal at all).

What I think that SE should change about the Vote Kick is what someone said above: Difference in Play Style. That affects nearly every group in the game that goes into Duties. If someone has a Difference in Play Style given a raid, such as Nidhogg EX, then it should give a recommendation based on their level. If they're Lv 60, make it a recommendation to go do SSS to practice their rotations and what-not. If it's lack of knowledge, then a Learning Party is an option.

When it comes to Harassment and Cheating, I think that the lockout should be 1 hour, which is twice as long to wait for an opening in Duty Finder. However, I can see trolls and the like abusing it, so it needs to be a 7/7 or 3/3 Vote for them to be kicked, and should at least give GMs a notification when it happens.

[Vulcwen]

When it comes to Harassment and Cheating, I think that the lockout should be 1 hour, which is twice as long to wait for an opening in Duty Finder. However, I can see trolls and the like abusing it, so it needs to be a 7/7 or 3/3 Vote for them to be kicked, and should at least give GMs a notification when it happens.

I think the abuse is actually most likely in near-full premades, having that one random guy get kicked for an hour for no valid reason wouldn't be fair (like, oh it's raid time now, so let's kick this guy so we can leave without penalty cause vote abandon isn't possible yet).

Abuse is gonna happen either way, and having a GM look into every case might be too much work, so if it really matters, just report them I guess.