House sale

[Niqote]

So no auto-demolition until 3.4 now? Maybe they're trying to have apartments going before they restart it so there's alternative if your house gets reclaimed by the server. I really think they've waited long enough to just turn that back on though.

Are you kidding me?!?

I have been waiting and waiting to free up my plot so I can bloody move servers, stop forcing us into this system and give us a choice to opt out so we can bloody relinquish our land for the 80% already and let someone else have it!

I'm so annoyed right now, mostly because they never seem to learn... surely someone in the dev team would have thought 'oh lets give them a button to turn auto relinquish back on since we have not provided a system in which players can otherwise make their unwanted plots available for the modest refund or easily sell it on MB/to other players without fear of scam/gouging'

/furious

[Melorie]

Are you kidding me?!?

I have been waiting and waiting to free up my plot so I can bloody move servers, stop forcing us into this system and give us a choice to opt out so we can bloody relinquish our land for the 80% already and let someone else have it!

But that doesn't make sense. Spending gil on a plot was YOUR choice, there's no reason to get 80% of your gil just because you don't want to have a house anymore.

[Niqote]

But that doesn't make sense. Spending gil on a plot was YOUR choice, there's no reason to get 80% of your gil just because you don't want to have a house anymore.

Well, it makes sense to buy and sell houses actually. And it makes sense to use a system that is in place.
What doesnt make sense is not making a complete system. So we work with what we have.

True I can choose to give up the gil as a loss, but some people have paid say, 200million for a plot that can now be bought for 20 million on some servers (A large) if you were that person, would you ever in your right mind not try for your refund?

Its not just a case of 'you chose to pay' its more like 'you chose to use a system, one that's changed'

[AxelDH]

Don't sell your house, its against the TOS!!

On the other hand, its not against the rules for someone to 'gift' you with, say, 40 million gil.

And then it wouldn't be breaking any rules for you to relinquish ownership of your house for free afterwards. Totally unconnected to said gift! *wink wink*

[Lan_Mantear]

From all the posts, this is a hot topic. It is really very simple.

Regardless of all the arguments for and against. There is a very real risk of being banned for selling your lot. If you are willing to take the risk, go ahead and attempt to sell. If not, then don't.

SE will never give us a straight answer and are purposely being vague because of the liabilities involved in being specific. This also allows their GMs to handle things in a case by case basis.

The smart thing to do? Wait for reclamation and get 80% of your gil risk free. Attempting to sell it any other way is a gamble, and don't be indignant or feign innocence if it doesn't go the way you expected.

Them trying resolve issues is really just a service to you. Beyond that, SE reserves the right to terminate your membership at any time for any reason and without notice.

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[Cakekizyy]

If it is an automated system, why would earthquakes be cause for turning it off? Or is this to protect players affected by earthquakes from losing house?

[Niqote]

If it is an automated system, why would earthquakes be cause for turning it off? Or is this to protect players affected by earthquakes from losing house?

Its to protect them because they dont have power etc. Which is really nice of SE.

What isn't nice however, is forcing the rest of the player base into it as well. Which lets face it, is really encouraging people to try sell thier plots for lucrative amounts of gil (The buyers point of view) simply so they can free up the plot.

Almost feels like they are making criminals then punishing them (._.)

[Snugglebutt]

Its to protect them because they dont have power etc. Which is really nice of SE.

What isn't nice however, is forcing the rest of the player base into it as well. Which lets face it, is really encouraging people to try sell thier plots for lucrative amounts of gil (The buyers point of view) simply so they can free up the plot.

Almost feels like they are making criminals then punishing them (._.)

SE allowing you to recoup any of your gil is a generous thing, reclamation is a bit like failed crafts sometimes giving you your materials back. Housing is a very limited and highly desired thing which is handled by the SE dictating plot values and not allowing the reselling of them privately.

Both were designed in the way they were to stop people treating housing as a commodity and/or profiting from it. Make no gil if chose to leave, make only some back but not all of it if lose your home not by choice...the punishing people who privately sell too also enforces the idea they do not want you treating it as a commodity. Obviously people are abusing that system to make a portion of the gil back by choice though but that was not it's intended purpose.

[Niqote]

Housing is a very limited and highly desired thing which is handled by the SE dictating plot values and not allowing the reselling of them privately.

They do not want people treating them like a commodity which is why SE give you no gil back when choose to relinquish and reclamation was intended to help those who lost their houses not by choice (obviously people are abusing that system to make a portion of the gil back by choice though but that was not it's intended purpose). Relinquish was intended for people who 'choose' to leave it, reclamation was intended for people who 'did not choose' to leave it but lost it anyways.

Unfortunately then that boils down to saying people who subscribe every month are not allowed to use the housing system that in reality, is freely available to all users.

So... it's only for people who don't sub for 1-2 months for various reasons that may or may not be in their control? I do not think that is logical at all.

In reality its a perk to keep people subscribed.

[Snugglebutt]

If it is an automated system, why would earthquakes be cause for turning it off? Or is this to protect players affected by earthquakes from losing house?

Pretty sure it started out as that, but my guess is that it has since morphed into a reworking of the system which might still be under development. If it was just a case of waiting a period to support victims of the earthquake it probably would have been switched back on before now or at least other regional servers would have been, they probably took it as an opportunity to work on improving the system while not in use.