What about a JPN-NA thoughts corner?

[alimdia]

I tried running it through Google translate. I got the impression they don't care so much about the 280 weapon but I don't think they like the mindless fate-spam either.

They do care about both the weapon invalidating a 9 day old anima stage + raid weapon and how bad the rework was, you will see the majority of the replies are against and very little in favor http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%83%AC/page151

Note: like that one person said earlier the JP community generally sticks to 1 thread per content and keeps using it for years even if the topic slightly changed, so the first ~146 pages predate current diadem.

It's a bit hard to scout the whole JP forums to check what's up over there since they don't use General Discussion as "put everything here", they use every single individual forum, this long list http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...English-Forums, and since they use single threads it's hard to know how far into the thread you have to go to see what's new

[Texa]

I posted this in a different thread when Japanese criticisms of the game came up and Shougun asked that I move it here I hope that's okay.

Re: about Japanese criticism of the game earlier. I went through 2ch for a while and found a good summary of complaints from their PoV of things, I'll do my best to translate up to 63. Please note my Japanese is pretty basic, I've done QA assistance work with experienced translators before but my skills are based on finding information and rephrasing. I'm subbing out gisgis with salt where it comes up because the terms are more or less the same in context to the game. I'm leaving the ones I don't know how to approach in Japanese. Here's an original copy of the list. Please note, I do not agree with all of these ^ ^u don't shoot the messenger


1. The promotional materials and ads were misleading
2. The back of the PS3 version case was originally misleading
3. FFなのにWoWとRIFTを何の工夫もせず上辺だけ劣化パクリ&改悪問題
4. The battles are boring as a beginner.
5. The eSports elements that they try to push aren't acceptable in Japan
6. Lack of content
7. The concept of item levels and the illusion of choice
8. Underlying cancer called GCD (Global Cool-Down)
9. Nothing is really rare. The markets are not functioning as intended and it's impossible to sell things.
10. The FATEs are crude
11. Handling of crafters and gatherers (I'm assuming ギャザクラ is a contraction of crafters and gatherers)
12. Weekly restrictions
13. Inflation ( デノミ is Japanese slang for inflation)
14. Raids- Godawful endgame
15. Duty Finder
16. 皆無に近いオリジナル要素、場面に合わない背景音楽
17. The loot system
18. "Novice Network" isn't aimed at novices
19. 対人関連 (I think it means avoidance of interaction? Linked Jisho)
20. Alliance raid
21. Housing
22. Structural problem caused by the expansion
23. 2.5秒おきにきめられたボタンをおすだけ。爽快感はない。
24. You aren't really fighting the enemies you're doing line gimmicks on the floor
25. 歴代FFのようなサポートアビリティやサポートジョブ、そんなビルド要素はない
26. 使いまわしモーション。目に痛いエフェクト。何をしてるのかわからないマスゲーム。意味
27. Not enough distinguishing traits between movement in races
28. Some skills do not work properly. It's taking longer and longer to do a "rotation" to reach maximum dps
29. Even though there are a variety of skills, many lack distinguishing features
30. 範囲攻撃と単品攻撃のバランスをとれないからいつも範囲攻撃連打か単品攻撃連打になる
31. You can only ever use skills and combos in one order if you want to achieve "maximum dps"
32. Upon meeting your exp target there's really no reason to do FATEs
33. The forced inclusion of FATEs in the Zodiac and Relic quests
34. ギャザクラは河本のせい (I THINK it says the DoH/DoH woes are Nobuaki Komoto's fault)
35. マイスター専用レシピにより、アーマリーシステムという自己完結プレイは不可能に (something about how the armories aren't implemented very well???)
36. Crafter specialization skills are useless
37. Locking new recipes to crafter specializations only even though you can still see them
38. "The strongest weapon ever" is temporary
39. Lack of rationality to level crafters and gatherers after expansion
40. The top perk to leveling them was materia melding, but then they added npcs that can meld
41. Weekly limit to token acquisition
42. Having to wipe to reset cooldowns
43. I did not feel a sense of accomplishment upon clearing I only felt exhausted
44. そうさせるだけの理不尽なギミック (really vague)
45. The true challenge in a boss fight is never the boss, it's the other party members
46. ​​フェーズごとに切って無敵状態でテストしている無能開発
47. 調整が甘い状態で数少ないエンドコンテンツを実装している
48. It's really difficult to learn new fight mechanics without voice chat
49. Duty Finder doesn't ding
50. MMORPG no longer
51. Close to none of the original elements remain
52. Background music not suitable for the scene
53. You can only clear once a week for 2 drops, but it's an 8 person party
54. 無駄なまでにクリアするのが面倒なコンテンツ程、報酬が良い ( I think this could be about the same as "lack of horizontal progression")
55. Dine and dash players (not stopping to say hello and goodbye)
56. 運の悪い者は永遠に手にいられない。
57. Even if you clear people will still be salty about the clear
58. FF XIV wasn't designed with pvp in mind
59. Some battles rely on whether or not you have someone a specific job in your party for a clear
60. There is no countermeasure against communication lag(latency?) at all
61. Medium housing costs too much for what you're getting
62. The small houses are way to narrow inside
63. Automatic removal of housing

[ZioSerpe]

Tell you what, I play in a japanese Datacenter, because I'm in Asia, and it really feels like all the drama of I read about and hear about in podcasts is just not a major thing here.

[Shougun]

I think it's interesting a lot of similar points come up, it's not as two worlds as sometimes we may believe, also just wanted to add that the whole 2ch anon board thing Texa went out of their way to read was because I suggested Japanese would be more likely to post issues on an anon board and unlike the English forum which is more Wild West the Japanese forum would be more concerned about face (as that face is also used in game, no face in an anon place :P).

So we can see with those together what is more likely representive of the whole, just be careful not to view one alone lol. At least in comparison to our side, which again I think we'd be more open to make buzz threads- the pro and con of a strong self/high diversity vs strong we/localized community. It pleases me greatly to see housing issues though lol. Im evil I know XD.

Thanks for the examination Texa~

Wonder if anyone would be willing to do a hot topic on the forum letter as suggested by OP. If not I guess people can update this thread occasionally ? My fear is someone spends a lot of time and skill in making a news letter but the English forums moves so fast the effort doesn't feel worth it. With such a high speed being FotM can be useful. Still I find the info very interesting especially as they have a more direct line to the devs, unless Yoshida does actually frequently read our forums - I can tell his listening is pretty good as he starts to respond sometimes before his translator stops him to translate (its good for safety in answering but shows he's getting pretty good at it).

[Iromi]

Thanks for the translations...its very interesting to see their pov. It nearly echos what my bf, friends and I have been saying for the longest time.

[Blackcanary]

Man, America sucks.

To clarify, I envy that island mentality. I lived for a few years in a small, remote town near Yosemite and life was like that. I miss it!

I live in Japan and i love the Japanese forum so much better than the the English version. 1 because people care more about each other in that forum they make one thread and you wont see the same type of thread recreated again and again in different ways. its the main reason why the dev team reply more often to the Japanese forum.

[Clethoria]

I appreciate the hell out of this thread and how civil almost everyone has been. I think it should stay alive for the sake of new changes and story content on the horizon. I also wish some issues were contained in a looooong thread and just search to see if a question has been brought up. Even on 4chan of all places if there's a thread up on a subject, and mods are actually awake, the fat will be trimmed in favor of whatever has the most meat.

[SenorPatty]

I really appreciate the effort you put into translating Texa. I'm on my phone now so I can't do much but what I will do is use your post to edit my first one so everyone can see and keep it on a monthly/new patch theme.

Also, I will now combine #45 and #57 as my new sig

[Knahli]

Thank you especially for your long and informative posts, Fina. That was really generous of you.

[Texa]

https://www26.atwiki.jp/gcmatome/pages/4936.html
Here's another really detailed write up on the Japanese communities thoughts of the game, breaking down different features into pros, cons, and mixed. Honestly most of it is about the same as what you'd see here. But it's still interesting to see it from them, helps reaffirm we're all in this together.

@wiki has always been my fav for trying to find civil and grounded criticism for jrpgs in the past. 2ch is more on like the 4chan end of things, they are very honest but the format of the place can encourage excessive negativity. They're all equally valid in different ways, I'm just explaining for anyone browsing this that haven't lurked those places before.