Thread: My review of patch 3.3 (Not for the Honesty)

Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Dungeon team has to be fired. Seriously, if you don`t take into account graphic models and enviroments, we haven`t had a new dungeon since 2.0...

trash, trash, (optional third trash pull), boss, trash, trash, (optional trash pull), boss, trash, trash, (optional trash pull), final boss.
(the same but larger for raids)
And bosses mechanics are basically simplified forgiving mechanics of older pieces of content.

The easier mechanics are probably because of the player base. While we are adept at coming up with more effective rotations than the devs intended, many of us aren't so good at handling fight mechanics and are quick to cry for nerfs. Best to release somewhat gimped content than to release it at full power and then have to go back in and nerf it later.

Also when it comes to linear dungeons, I run Dzamel Darkhold often and hardly see groups take the non linear paths; People aren't using opening the doors to the side rooms and the only reason a group takes on the mobs at the bottom of the cliff is when someone falls off of it. The devs probably looked at the data to see how many players got acheivements for exploring all dungeon sections and then decided to build them accordingly.

This patch honestly doesn't matter regardless of how good it could've been. You have legion coming next month which will influence the playerbase for at least a month. More than likely 3.4 will come out in October (no later than November) with whatever they are deciding to do for exploration and wow will probably release their first raid around the same time. This playerbase up and down will continue till WoW's usual content drought after 3-4 updates over a 6-7 month period. By then 4.0 will be on its way while people are subbing/unsubbing from whatever the possible 2 part patch 3.5 will be. Kinda funny how predictable all these games are.

Originally Posted by Ragology

The easier mechanics are probably because of the player base. While we are adept at coming up with more effective rotations than the devs intended, many of us aren't so good at handling fight mechanics and are quick to cry for nerfs. Best to release somewhat gimped content than to release it at full power and then have to go back in and nerf it later.

Also when it comes to linear dungeons, I run Dzamel Darkhold often and hardly see groups take the non linear paths; People aren't using opening the doors to the side rooms and the only reason a group takes on the mobs at the bottom of the cliff is when someone falls off of it. The devs probably looked at the data to see how many players got acheivements for exploring all dungeon sections and then decided to build them accordingly.

It isn`t really about linear vs open content or really hard mechanics. You could have this exact same difficulty and linearity in a more fun pattern. A example.


Instead of doing 3 trash pulls from boss A to B, have an NPC opening a door while you have to defend it from 3 hordes of coming enemies.

Is exactly the same 3 trash pulls. Its the same "linearity" and the difficulty is exactly the same. A good example of this was Amdapor Keep HM last trash pulls from boss 2 to final boss. It was a DPS check and instead of just runing collecting mobs along a long pathway, you had to beat em in a horde mode. That could be repeated in several other ways.

Adding more diverse challenges than just trash mobs to kill. Dungeon sections where you interact more with the enviroment than just killing trash. Damn, we have jumping, why there isn`t jumping puzzles and jumping detection mechanics.

The potential for diverse, fun and easy content is there, you could have it all if you wanted, is just about developers getting out their lazy comfort zone of making structured dungeons.

Trash 1, Trash 2, Trash 3, Boss A, Trash 1, Trash 2, Trash 3, Boss B,...

Damn, Tam-tara might be one of the most inventive dungeons since it doesn`t have 3 bosses but barriers and one final boss. If asking for this changes is "disregarded" because it might be too difficult for the playerbase, developers are literally insulting said playerbase.

A while ago my friends brought up a discussion over the recent patches and wondered if they were getting smaller in size. We used to get 3 dungeons at one point instead of just 2 every patch. I believe they said it started during Heavensward though I could be wrong. Also Hunts seem more ignored as well and almost loses its worth when you have dungeons that give you reasonable gear to progress. Unless you want the original hunt gear (not the centurio stuff) because centurio seals don't have Hunt gear of its own you can buy, instead its the previous tome's gear.

Maybe they'll add something next patch prior because they often catch onto these things after people take notice, besides people still do these things often just for the lore unless there's something else they're grinding them for. Not counting leves, not sure what they're doing with those...

Originally Posted by Alistaire

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Content attempts like Diadem and Aquapolis is the replacement for the 3rd dungeon. We trade the 3rd dungeon for testing the waters with new types of content. Which is also what Deep Dungeon is supposed to be. A new type of content. It was simply delayed.

The problem with Diadem is that except for gathering classes it was invalidated too easily, which is why they plan to revisit and modify it. For all intents and purposes Aquapolis was a very successful piece of content that can be expanded upon, altered, and reused.

When you look at Deep Dungeon, its leaderboards are going to be solo only. The save slot configuration aims more towards running with friends, while still having flexibility to que with other people running the system if you do not have a group of friends to run it. Could they have gone with more save slots? Sure, the real question is: How many? People would still complain about having 4 slots, or 8 slots, or even 16 slots for some.

Originally Posted by TankHunter678

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Aquapolis is actually doing well too. Its quick for rewards (or rejection) and is a neat party activity. Alot better with a group with a need-all rule, saves the "Mine!" mentality for the pugs I suppose. If they did update it, it'd be cool if they added some more diverse floors, or some sort of trial to reach a door before opening it besides a bombardment of enemies. I mean I can't stand the rng, but if they allowed you to choose a harder path that has, say, an 80% chance of success with some tougher enemies and platforms compared to the 50% chance door nearby with an average grouped mob, or a 20% door for those who are feeling extra lucky that has no mobs but after choosing it and succeeding you get bonus rewards the next round just for taking the risk, tat would be pretty neat and wouldn't feel so annoying sometimes like when you open the first door and it shuts on you (I felt so bad for my friend wen that happened but we all laughed in the end anyway, plus my portal never appeared XD) This wouldn't be so bad if they did it this way.

Yeah this sounds about right. I already heard reviews of the Deep Dungeon so I'm guessing Legacy servers had first dibs or something, but why not us too if that's all your adding in this quick patch? I think at some point someone mention in forums that they didn't want us bombarded with content but I really don't see why that's a thing, especially since Deep Dungeon sounds more like the new type of content we were promised in Heavensward. I wouldn't hold it back anyway unless they were just testing it from the legacy servers. Still makes me wonder what they can add after Deep Dungeon is released, but if its done right we wouldn't have to think this way, or just me anyway : p

A big problem with Diadem is that it was half baked and way too unrestricted so it led to people doing what is most efficient: standing in one place chain pulling. Unfortunately since none of the monsters in there have any depth beyond "I put a debuff on you then do a tank buster," the entire zone is super boring. I think by the third time I entered I couldn't stand to play it for more than 15 minutes. Also this ultra boring ultra easy activity gave the best rewards in the game by far. Hoooooooooly hell what a misstep on something that could have been awesome.