Summoner revamp

[DaulBan]

I think the issue here is simply that there is no place for a big huge kill-everything summon where you bring it up and it wrecks house. Something something expensive but things that are too expensive for an OK ability (ie Shadowall) are going to see little play with the way it works out. I think the best result is having more trances + deathflare style mechanics. Make a Zantetsuken deathflare thing for one enemy or whatever, just give flavor. You can claim that they somehow painted themselves into a corner by having ARC spawn both SMN and SCH, but I think it's unrealistic to say that any 'ideal' SMN will come out of this MMO setting. Either you want something which is big on a long CD (Shadowall issue) or something which just comprises a lot of your damage but won't do much more than a SMN already does (reverse the damage distribution) and still do less than a MNK/DRG and feel like your Summon isn't cool enough.

[Leigaon]

I think the issue here is simply that there is no place for a big huge kill-everything summon where you bring it up and it wrecks house...

Sad to admit it but you're right. I am one who references FFXI SMN so I have to admit, I would love to have Titan come out raise both his fists and slam the ground killing a large pack. You're right, there is no place for this, not just from XI but, across the series. The trances are a good style, for those primals I feel we shouldn't have the ability to summon but can at least tap into some of their power. With the way things are set up (Trinity System, major focus on DPS over Enfeebling / Party Enhancement) do you think they a lot room to add something in that isn't just a re-skinned version of what's already there? If not, would it be best to only go so far with what is added for nostalgia purposes? I have no idea..

[DaulBan]

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Hopefully trances give you the thing you desire in terms of variety, but it's not looking good. The QoL changes that they got in 3.0 make them much more fun to use (imo) but unless trances become more involved, we're probably just going to see more DoT related things. Here's hoping we get more variety than that, but only Yoshi-p knows for sure.

[ZhaneX]

Y'know, it actually would be kind of nice if the reason for the disappearance and silence on the previously discussed "Egi Glamour" system, was because they were taking Summoner back and reworking it for 4.0.

But that's probably hopeless optimism.

[DaulBan]

Y'know, it actually would be kind of nice if the reason for the disappearance and silence on the previously discussed "Egi Glamour" system, was because they were taking Summoner back and reworking it for 4.0.

But that's probably hopeless optimism.

If they can't even get egi glamors out an expansion later, I don't think they would be able to revamp the entire class

[Jandor]

If they can't even get egi glamors out an expansion later, I don't think they would be able to revamp the entire class

Maybe we're not getting egi glamours because they're revamping the whole class.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I think you should get your summons chigoe size lmao :P

[Awful]

http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/demonol...owns-abilities I know this is WoW and all but they changed demonology warlock (if you've played wow before) to where the warlock summons demons and keeps them buffed while they do all the damage. I posted their rotatiom but it's all about summoning demons while they deal damage and you use filler abilities to keep them empowered. If ff 14 ever had this smn would be my favorite as this play style is fresh and is busy.