Summoner revamp

[TheMax1087]

Honest it's my opinion that dreadwyrm trance is the closest you can get to classic ff summoning(in which summons are summoned for one big attack then go away) and I hope they continue along that route.

[seekified]

Honest it's my opinion that dreadwyrm trance is the closest you can get to classic ff summoning(in which summons are summoned for one big attack then go away) and I hope they continue along that route.

Indeed, I hope they expand on this and give us a couple more avatars to rotate through and use in various situations. It is visually impressive and arguably fun to use, whereas DoTs and Ruin spams are not (even if it is satisfying to watch things melt while you twiddle your thumbs, so to speak).

In contrast, I think the SCH stuff makes a lot of sense - the lore says that a single scholar could support entire parties of marauders, and their pets make more sense. But then there's not really a clear FF precedent for scholars, lorewise. SMN by comparison feels very gimicky and I think the point that the last pet ability was at level 40 says quite a bit with regards to how SE views the job.

[Leigaon]

Honest it's my opinion that dreadwyrm trance is the closest you can get to classic ff summoning(in which summons are summoned for one big attack then go away) and I hope they continue along that route.

It was nice to get that, I wouldn't mind if that was the norm and maybe a little something special while we're in that form to remind us of what trance we're in. I think you might be on a good route, if we're able to get a bit of the summons power through us, we would feel some connection to the summons. Ifrit, and let us finish off with Inferno. If you did that and added a bit of something for each stance, a few small adjustments on the egi's end..it could be something. I wouldn't mind being able to harness just a bit of Titan.

Some of the ideas im seeing are just terrible and im kinda glad SE did not take some of these suggestions lol. Most of the ideas im seeing i'm just face palming so hard it hurts.

At least he suggested something though, all the ideas start off somewhere. It wasn't a perfect solution but it was something. I'm sure the starting points through S.E. were not wonderful at first and this will keep on coming up since both sides admit there is an issue. If S.E. sees it as a failure and something they didn't want to implement in the first place, and the players see it as something that could be adjusted..I think there is a common ground to work with. I'd love it if they took some time off towards 4.0 and re-did scholar and summoner. Both are wonderful ideas, and they did do their best to fit this into the lore.

Now that the lore is there, they can work around it. They probably should have held off a bit longer but if demand was high, they gave the baby their bottle and it didn't work out so well..

I do see how some aren't happy so much power comes from the caster, I think it is a little over the top but it sure beats 11 when if my pet dies, I was screwed..lol.

There's a solution and a balance, we just have to hope S.E. finds it, they did take us wanting this job into consideration and I love them for it. Now maybe it's time to let them know we are happy to let them get it right if need be.

[Remus]

Oh man its the SMN topic again... all i will say is there isn't much point to adding more egis the way the game is designed simple as just deal. I am happy with Dreadwyrm Trance and i hope they continue in this direction. Good job SE. Also i just want to say a CC pet would be the most useless pet in the game even lower than Titan. Most of the time your fighting bosses and they are immune to it and enemies don't even last long enough for CC so pointless egi is pointless. AoE pet? Garuda already makes me AoE more effectively with Enkindle and Contagion make my DoTs last longer after Bane so I don't see much point in the AoE pet.

Also Alatus if you made pets lower resistances you should already know these don't stack look at NIN and WAR. In 24 man all those resistances will basically be useless. Shiva would be terrible most people meet accuracy cap so there isn't really a need to lower Evasion. So many classes already do all those things so if pets did that it would make them even worse. Some of the ideas im seeing are just terrible and im kinda glad SE did not take some of these suggestions lol. Most of the ideas im seeing i'm just face palming so hard it hurts.

Anyway im out this thread gave a good laugh o/

[Alaltus]

Also Alatus if you made pets lower resistances you should already know these don't stack look at NIN and WAR. In 24 man all those resistances will basically be useless. Shiva would be terrible most people meet accuracy cap so there isn't really a need to lower Evasion. So many classes already do all those things so if pets did that it would make them even worse. Some of the ideas im seeing are just terrible and im kinda glad SE did not take some of these suggestions lol. Most of the ideas im seeing i'm just face palming so hard it hurts

And multiple NIN WAR are useless now? The point i was making was from the perspective of 2.0 release SE could have easily found another way to differentiate the summons other than an elemental wheel. At the very least Titan and Ifrit would be alot more relevant than they are now and they could have made summon resist downs a seperate debuff from NIN and WAR and only not stack with itself. Afterall you have the choice of multple egis, not just one.

[ArikDimas]

While I'd like to see summons become more of the classic idea of summons, I can understand how older versions of summoning wouldn't work in 14 outside of perhaps doing something like making enkindle work like dissipitation along with its damage. One thing I'd like to see as an idea for summoner is for them to go with traits that enhance our older skills to give them the theme of partially summoning a primal similar to entering dreadwyrm trance. An example could be something like let's say Ruin 1 strikes the enemy with a fiery claw while Ruin 2 launches a blast of air. Virus could look like it tries to capture the target in a rocky gaol while Eye for an Eye places a lightning barrier on the target to strike back at the enemy. Bane could spread out foul water from its target and Fester could perhaps cause ice to erupt from the enemy.

[Savagelf]

I think summoner should have evlve for the primal of the primal grown stronger be control of them stay under they control

Job traits should introduce for all jobs

for summoner the int of summoner add states to they Egi and the Egi form change to. see Egi now as spirt form of primal and it get more physcal form but summoner grown stronger able control it

for Example Ifrits would go normal Egi to Elder Egi Ifrits.

[Duelle]

for summoner the int of summoner add states to they Egi and the Egi form change to. see Egi now as spirt form of primal and it get more physcal form but summoner grown stronger able control it

for Example Ifrits would go normal Egi to Elder Egi Ifrits.

In a world where Dreadwyrm Trance doesn't exist, I could see a cooldown version of Grimoire of Supremacy come into play where you sort of give up something to temporarily upgrade your summoned Egi. The tradeoff would obviously have to be a net gain but the idea could work. Of course, this would require the devs to create and animate a second egi form for all egi in-game.

[ChazNatlo]

Quick question:

The suggestion of this thread is that Egis don't do enough, and that everything is the caster.

Why Do a strong number of suggestions involve removing the one Egi skill people actually use? ((Contagion))

[Zhamkyong]

Quick question:

The suggestion of this thread is that Egis don't do enough, and that everything is the caster.

Why Do a strong number of suggestions involve removing the one Egi skill people actually use? ((Contagion))

Because Contagion it seems a skill based on the Smn spell list than a power of Garuda herself as an Egi.