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  1. #41
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    Added another Version with innovative Touch and compared the Mume+1PbP(MP1) vs the MuMe+2PbP(MP2).
    For this Reason im using the function of Monte Carlo Simulator, which gives you the average Results of 500 Runs, which is spammed mulltiple times to see how the average is. Those are the results i got with equal stats(1027 Craftsmanship, 967 Control), the Results are given in expected Value & average Value:

    MuMe+1PbP: 57&65 | 58&66 | 57&66 | 58&67 | 60&66 -> Avg: 58% & 66%
    MuMe+2PbP: 53&61 | 59&62 | 56&56 | 58&59 | 56&56 -> Avg: 56% & 59%

    This means in "average with same Sats" the MuMe+1PbP is slightly better than the MuMe+2PbP.
    However, we need to include Food and Stats and that's where the difference is:

    MuMe+1PbP(MP1): Craftsmanship 1027, Control 967, CP 424 - Food required is baked onion soup | Can be used on non-specialist(2 innovative Touch -> Innovation)
    MuMe+2PbP(MP2): Craftsmanship 995/1022, Control 967, CP 429/427 - Food required for 995/967/429 is baked onion, for 1022/967/427 its seafood stew. | Cannot be used without Specialist (No Compensation possible)

    On Paper with food this rule applies:
    MP2+seafood(specialist)>MP1+onion>MP2+onion

    Here's the catch though - in order to HQ with Startingquality you don't want the max/avg value, but rather consistent high IQ. Swapping out HT 80% with one or two 70% does improve your average at the cost of consistency.

    8 Times HT: 0.167%
    9 Times HT: 0,134%
    10 Times HT: 0,107%
    If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 40,8% to HQ.
    If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 24,1% to HQ.

    8 Times HT(1IT): 0,147%
    9 Times HT(1IT): 0,117%
    10 Times HT(1IT): 0,094%
    If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 35,8% to HQ.
    If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 21,1% to HQ.

    8 Times HT(2IT): 0,128%
    9 Times HT(2IT): 0,103%
    10 Times HT(2IT): 0,082%
    If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 31,3% to HQ.
    If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 18,5% to HQ.

    This means if you create crafts with 0 starting quality, you want to use MP2, if you want to create Food/Pots with Startingquality, you want to use MP1 without Innovative Touch.
    Given those stats-requirements you can pick whichever you feel is more suitable for you. Here are the rotations i compared (Mp1 from me, Mp2 from saber):

    MP1 with onion:


    MP2 with seafood(Simulator cannot calculate Progress correctly):


    MP2 with onion:
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    Last edited by MariaNyan; 10-07-2016 at 07:44 PM.

  2. #42
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    Mitzi Nowl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    If you move Great Strides 1 step forward you can use that CSII to bait out a good/excellent proc too
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  3. #43
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    Good point, I've actually made that correction too since I made that post.

    That said though, something to note is that there is not enough cp to allow you to do Ing2 > GS > Bryegots consecutively. So even if you switched GS and CSII and managed to bait a good/excellent after the GS, you wouldn't be able to make use of it. After hitting GS you would be at 19cp with 1 step left on CZ, so you still need to stall for a step to let CZ give you the last 8cp. So either way you only have one chance to bait a good/excellent, after the CSII in the original linked rotation, or after GS in the amended one.

    However if you managed to take a ToT earlier in the rotation and have a surplus of cp, you're right that GS earlier is definitely more favourable for baiting - and it's probably a good idea to do it like that all the time, just to encourage good habits.
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    Last edited by Myon88; 10-08-2016 at 09:48 PM.

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    I recall some people were looking for a 15-step red scrip macro (so it fits in one macro and only one button press is needed). Is there any reason something like this wouldn't work?
    I've always hated Name/Brand macros because you need to have 6 of them and cross class the skills on GSM and CUL. But the two steps for progresion is really hard to pass by.
    The problem I saw with tayler1480 macro is that you basically can't use it on low level recipes, because that brand at the start of the craft would finish it early. Yours was the solution I couldn't think on, so I worked on improving the quality steps on your rotation instead.

    One-hit Macro up to Level 60 70/80 Durability (956 Progress) with 100% HQ chance with Name+Brand. Requirements (???/???/405)



    Even so, this rotation is practically equally strong and doesn't need the Name/Brand so it's better overall, the only reason to use mine instead could be the lower CP requirement.

    Quote Originally Posted by cgbspender View Post
    Great thread, really. Bookmarked.

    Single button macro with 15 steps, no Brand/ Name. 415 CP. Works for every 70/80 recipe up to 956 progress.
    Lokyst is incorrect about progress, and you'll need +30 craftsmanship (instead of the +20 used for the simulation), to finish the synthesis.


    About the 35/40 durability rotation on the first post, you may want to try this instead, 15 steps agains the 17 you have (tested on Chrysolite that is the only 35 durability lvl 60 recipe). You can replace some Standard Touches with Basic and upgrade the first Steady Hand to a Steady Hand II if you do so for a lower CP requirement. It requires 422 as it is now.

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    Last edited by Ikki_Wiki; 10-14-2016 at 11:54 AM.

  5. #45
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    Meloveyou Longtime
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    this website accessible somewhere?
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki_Wiki View Post
    Yours was the solution I couldn't think on, so I worked on improving the quality steps on your rotation instead.
    I've made another small improvement since then, and managed to reduce it to 13 steps. It's not really surprising considering the 4*++ stat levels we're able to reach, but in this version there's enough craftsmanship to 1 shot the craft with a single brand under ing2, and there are so few durability costing actions that you can drop the need for a durability recovery move as well. It's not 100% HQ, as general reminder for anyone just seeing this post, it's for 1* red scrip crafting where you just need to hit the highest collectability bracket.



    this website accessible somewhere?
    http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator
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  7. #47
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    hey this simulator is uh telling me that ingen1 and ingen2 give me the same control boost.... is that true? i dont really wanna go through the work of checking myself in game

    edit: haha nevermind just kidding im a dummy
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    Last edited by audi5000; 01-10-2017 at 06:54 AM. Reason: oops

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