Collection of Macros by Maria Nyan

[MariaNyan]

If CP is your problem, you could always replace one CZ with one ToT, resulting in 6 more CP, which is likely in a 20step MaMa-rotation. otherwise, just use a single CSII to bridge that extra step and stop using IngenII. I have the feeling that Ingenuity is pretty bad in 4stars due to CP-restraints, you lose more actions than you gain from it imo. Tinkering a bit i found 2 versions:




pretty sure there's a better version of the one i posted, but probably an improvement over yours.

EDIT: Just notice there's alot of ways to get there.

[AaronHughes]

If you move Great Strides 1 step forward you can use that CSII to bait out a good/excellent proc too

[Myon88]

That's interesting, it didn't cross my mind to use unbuffed CSIIs to stall for time there, but that's also an option. I'll look into that next.

Ing2 is definitely pretty expensive for what it does, although in practice I've found that at end-of-craft levels of IQ stacks, it actually increases the quality of that Bryegot hit more than Innovation does (very slightly more, like +1100 instead of +1000). Of course you are paying 32cp instead of 18cp for that, so it's not quite worth it unless you combo it with synthesis actions for additional synergy - similar to the MuMe macros - and manage to save 10 durability as a result (2 ing2 CSIIs vs 3 unbuffed CSIIs for example).

The way I see it, if you look at our most efficient durability recovery skill MM2, it shows that in the ideal case we value 10 durability at around 26.7 cp at best. So in a roundabout way, if Ing2 saves you 10 durability by letting you use 1 less CSII, that's a 26.7cp 'discount' from the actual cost.

The main thing that interests me is that if you only need 2 CSIIs, that's 12 fully buffed hasty touches you can get which increases HQ reliability slightly; vs 11 for those ones above, or 11.5 for those variants that go SH2 > WN2 then have a couple of unbuffed steps that they use for CSIIs or hasties outside of SH.

[MariaNyan]

To continue the post from last page - I think there are 2 viable options for MuMe that results in 10HTs, i hope sb can tinker them to a better one:

1.MuMe+PbP+6csII - 8 Steps, 21CP
Version1 - 480CP, 1027 Craftsmanship; Baked Onion Soup required



2.MuMe+2PbP+3csII(under IngenII) - 6 Steps, 68 CP, slight quality boost
Test1 - 469CP, 1025 Craftsmanship


EDIT: Just noticed its similiar to the one Sayboar posted in another Thread - Innovative Touch is sure an interesting idea! Not sure if the 10% reduced chance affects the average by alot though...

If you find any better version let me know, still looking for best rotations possible.

Cheers,
Maria

[Mandudez]

In regards to Version1:

Two thoughts of a combination tweak of macros here. With max CP you could take out innovation, replace HT #2 in the line of 5 HT and the final two HT's all with innovative touch. The other thought especially if you need baked onion soup as your food is to leave the 5 HT line alone and leave the last 2 innovative touches. Or one IT in the 5 HT line and one IT at the end. Doing it by hand of course if your first of the two IT in a row hits you'll want to hit a HT as your next hit for a 10% better chance of a touch hitting.

So far playing with them I'm liking just the last two touches as IT's as it still gives you around a 90% combined chance of giving you innovation for your BB hit. I don't think the 70% chance to buff 3 HT's would pay off in the long run.

[MariaNyan]

Added another Version with innovative Touch and compared the Mume+1PbP(MP1) vs the MuMe+2PbP(MP2).
For this Reason im using the function of Monte Carlo Simulator, which gives you the average Results of 500 Runs, which is spammed mulltiple times to see how the average is. Those are the results i got with equal stats(1027 Craftsmanship, 967 Control), the Results are given in expected Value & average Value:

MuMe+1PbP: 57&65 | 58&66 | 57&66 | 58&67 | 60&66 -> Avg: 58% & 66%
MuMe+2PbP: 53&61 | 59&62 | 56&56 | 58&59 | 56&56 -> Avg: 56% & 59%

This means in "average with same Sats" the MuMe+1PbP is slightly better than the MuMe+2PbP.
However, we need to include Food and Stats and that's where the difference is:

MuMe+1PbP(MP1): Craftsmanship 1027, Control 967, CP 424 - Food required is baked onion soup | Can be used on non-specialist(2 innovative Touch -> Innovation)
MuMe+2PbP(MP2): Craftsmanship 995/1022, Control 967, CP 429/427 - Food required for 995/967/429 is baked onion, for 1022/967/427 its seafood stew. | Cannot be used without Specialist (No Compensation possible)

On Paper with food this rule applies:
MP2+seafood(specialist)>MP1+onion>MP2+onion

Here's the catch though - in order to HQ with Startingquality you don't want the max/avg value, but rather consistent high IQ. Swapping out HT 80% with one or two 70% does improve your average at the cost of consistency.

8 Times HT: 0.167%
9 Times HT: 0,134%
10 Times HT: 0,107%
If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 40,8% to HQ.
If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 24,1% to HQ.

8 Times HT(1IT): 0,147%
9 Times HT(1IT): 0,117%
10 Times HT(1IT): 0,094%
If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 35,8% to HQ.
If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 21,1% to HQ.

8 Times HT(2IT): 0,128%
9 Times HT(2IT): 0,103%
10 Times HT(2IT): 0,082%
If 9 IQ is needed, Chance is 31,3% to HQ.
If 10 IQ is needed, Chance is 18,5% to HQ.

This means if you create crafts with 0 starting quality, you want to use MP2, if you want to create Food/Pots with Startingquality, you want to use MP1 without Innovative Touch.
Given those stats-requirements you can pick whichever you feel is more suitable for you. Here are the rotations i compared (Mp1 from me, Mp2 from saber):

MP1 with onion:


MP2 with seafood(Simulator cannot calculate Progress correctly):


MP2 with onion:

[Myon88]

Good point, I've actually made that correction too since I made that post.

That said though, something to note is that there is not enough cp to allow you to do Ing2 > GS > Bryegots consecutively. So even if you switched GS and CSII and managed to bait a good/excellent after the GS, you wouldn't be able to make use of it. After hitting GS you would be at 19cp with 1 step left on CZ, so you still need to stall for a step to let CZ give you the last 8cp. So either way you only have one chance to bait a good/excellent, after the CSII in the original linked rotation, or after GS in the amended one.

However if you managed to take a ToT earlier in the rotation and have a surplus of cp, you're right that GS earlier is definitely more favourable for baiting - and it's probably a good idea to do it like that all the time, just to encourage good habits.

[Atomicstorm]

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