How Suspensions Are Dealt With

[Iromi]

I wonder if they leave out what you did/said because they think some people may go harass the person who reported them even further...that is the only logical thing I can think of lol. But yea, not telling you exactly what is against the ToS seems counter productive.

[Hasrat]

I wonder if they leave out what you did/said because they think some people may go harass the person who reported them even further...that is the only logical thing I can think of lol. But yea, not telling you exactly what is against the ToS seems counter productive.

This is a really weird assumption since you can't even be sure the person that reported you was the one being harassed. What if you're just dicking around with a friend and some passerby catches half the convo and assumes you're being legit rude? Let's take it a step further and assume it was all RP with out-of-game consent?

Failing to give even broad strokes of the incident means the punishment is worthless. Giving a penalty and saying "read the rules" doesn't accomplish anything if there's room for interpretation and context.

[Deathgiver]

This is a really weird assumption since you can't even be sure the person that reported you was the one being harassed. What if you're just dicking around with a friend and some passerby catches half the convo and assumes you're being legit rude? Let's take it a step further and assume it was all RP with out-of-game consent?

Failing to give even broad strokes of the incident means the punishment is worthless. Giving a penalty and saying "read the rules" doesn't accomplish anything if there's room for interpretation and context.

GM's don't do anything about 3rd party reports, only if you report something where you were directly negatively affected.

[Alistaire]

GM's don't do anything about 3rd party reports, only if you report something where you were directly negatively affected.

Can confirm. It's a bad policy but at least it rules out that possibility here.

edit: and...wait a sec....wtf has this thread turned into?

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I can understand why they won't tell you what you said, or said to who. Just like the GM said, if you found out that information, people could potentially go back and harass the person who put in the report. For example, if you said something that was harassing somebody, "Man derp nerd scurb tier!!", and then you in turn got upset over the report, you could go back and find the person and then harass them more out of anger. Heck, even saying something minor and just slightly offending somebody, saying "I don't like gay people" could possibly result in a report if you say it wrong, and again, same thing applies, once you remember what the statement is, its easy to put a name to it. I'd just take it with a grain of salt, and try or pretend to be more civil, cause I doubt the report was made just because, the GM's do go back and read chat logs...

[Timplar]

Yeah, see, it's possible a GM could make a really bad judgement call and when they go back and check it and see the GM messed up and you did nothing wrong, they tell you you did do something wrong to save face. They don't want you losing faith in their system, so they just tell you they can't say what it was because that will allow you to break more rules (which they can then punish even harder so it's not a real excuse) and reprimand the GM in private. I don't KNOW if I did anything wrong or not, but this system definitely allows abuse in the system and results in mistrust.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Yeah, see, it's possible a GM could make a really bad judgement call.

GM's can make bad judgment calls yes, but you don't think that they have a boss that looks at the cases, or when a GM doesn't know how to handle something, they ask a supervisor? You're looking into this way to deeply. Take a step back and just remember to use common sence when talking to people and try to be generally nice.

[Alistaire]

Not to defend how this was/is dealt with, but there is at least 1 thing you can do. Read the ToS right now. It could give you a clue about what you may have done. So if you read a part and go "oh I didn't know I wasn't allowed to shout that someone early pulled a hunt mob" (for example) then you think back to doing that and if that's the only thing you see that you violated then that was probably it.

Again, not defending this idea they shouldn't tell you what it was about.

But also, even if you read the ToS and don't see something that makes you realize what it was, you'll at least have a fresh look at what's allowed and not allowed.

And some of it is crazy sure, like a guy can join an FC and empty their company chest, and that's OK, because SE will say it's up to the FC to manage permissions, but the moment you shout that this player did that to you and include their name, you're in the wrong. Even if you don't agree with it, knowing how SE sees things can help.

[Timplar]

They just replied to my support request with a generic response

So it turns out they can play with your account however they want without any reason, and say it's to "protect others"

They have nothing on me, they know it, and they're hiding behind "preventing bullying" by allowing GMs to bully