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    Quote Originally Posted by MihaelB View Post
    It's been speculated before they take money from this game and funnel it into other SE projects, that's what I believe.
    While the pursuit of profit is not some noble endeavor that is beyond criticism, unless I'm mistaken they can do what you said above with any profits they make. FFXI has long since paid for it's development cost at this point, any money they make from it now is pure profit they can do with as they see fit. Do I think it goes back in to the game? Sure, I'm absolutely certain some of it does to cover upkeep costs and the profit can go towards whatever they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    While the pursuit of profit is not some noble endeavor that is beyond criticism, unless I'm mistaken they can do what you said above with any profits they make. FFXI has long since paid for it's development cost at this point, any money they make from it now is pure profit they can do with as they see fit. Do I think it goes back in to the game? Sure, I'm absolutely certain some of it does to cover upkeep costs and the profit can go towards whatever they want.
    Technically, yes - though when the developers themselves express a desire for more funding to better develop future content it makes for a tricky situation.
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    I would like for the costume to be separeted to each parts and available colour changing. The costume of Minfilia and Cid cannot be equiped with gear to heads, hands, legs, and feet. The colours of the most story character's costume cannot be changed. I want to enjoy pikcing out an outfit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aoga View Post
    colour changing...The colours of the most story character's costume cannot be changed.
    That's because they are usualy not as unique as you like to think they are. Both Ameryc's and Lucia's armor used altered models of the Dusk Vigil and Level 58 Tank/DRG gear for example. Likewise in other case the same model has be used with another color sceme that cannot be replicated by dye. I;d imaging that the colors would be iconic of the character the attire is meant to evoke for cosplay purposes, an thus are unlikely to be a changeable attribute.

    As far as consistency goes, I don't think they are gonna split the glamour setup into 5 either.
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    I would really like Tancreds new gear, ;;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithe View Post
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    It's absolutely ok for me to pay for something when SE had the chance to put something in for free. Because I have the option of doing so. Meanwhile, you would rather rage at me about telling you how the Mog Station works, yelling at me to buy common sense... I would think it would be wiser to lend you that cash so you can purchase some anger management sessions.

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    There's a general concensus of how people should react to something when it bothers them. They should turn away or just not partake in the act. Many people practice it, what excuses you? Also, what proof do you have that it would be something worse? I didn't know SE had this evil mastermind plan of suddenly popping up with level-jumping pots on the Mog Station.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melorie View Post
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    Vanity that was in the game before. Thing is, you have to remember, specifically with the majority of the items in the Mog Station... they were all available once in-game, at the very least.

    The dyes are in the game, either spend gil in-game or spend cash to get them instantly, or grind up a retainer to iLv threshold to get the rare dyes. Don't we have a lot of Housing Items ingame anyways? Why should it matter if we don't have four, especially considering the housing situation at the moment. Glamours, well it's vanity... that's what I said, right? Minions, all the minions so far have been from past events, even the China/Korea-exclusive ones, so it made sense that they get the past event treatment. And as for mounts, where else would they have put them that fit? Sleipnir is at the very least, account wide. But what about the other two? You are asking the wrong person here, but to me, I don't see an issue when it's literally a palette swap, if you don't want it, don't buy it.

    If you really wanted an unfair Mog Station, go see the Chinese one where they sell story advancement, class advancement and veteran rewards...

    Also, an event would take more money that it could make back in the time it took to make, test, verify and release the content... that 1000's will be doing. It's too much effort on something when they can just take an idea, model it, test it out, and release it for the standard 5 dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post

    If you really wanted an unfair Mog Station, go see the Chinese one where they sell story advancement, class advancement and veteran rewards...
    You are not getting my point. I'm not talking about mogstation current state. I'm talking about that mindset that says that as long as something is visual it's okay to charge for it. I'm not against putting items from EVENTS THAT HAPPENED in the game in the mogstation, and while I am fairly against recolours, I don't think that they're that horrible. But that way of thinking is toxic for the future of the game and mogstation.
    Yeah, I bet that events aren't as near profitable as putting things in the cash shop, but guess what? I pay for the game already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melorie View Post
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    Okay, so let's say you were the only person playing the game (seeing as you are the only person stating, and quoting against me). So what would the game achieve with 15 dollars a month income? Let's say they downscale the game to a solo standard, you can solo dungeons, you can solo maps, you can craft entirely solo, etc. So how would they implement what they have at the moment if the game was running at, quite literally, 15 dollars a month? There'd be barely anything going out and they'd more than likely be running at a total profit of 0 dollars.

    See, a game can have a cash shop, the difference is, the willingness of customers, the demand of the customers. You do not have to purchase anything in the shop at all. You have to remember, they also got feedback from the 2.0 Savage content (T6 Savage to T9 Savage), that there wasn't enough incentive to run that content... yet do you see those titles in the Mog Station, even though they are even LESS than vanity? They are quite literally, something you can just place into your search info even without having the kill on the content? The issue here is, there is no demand for it. Look at what they did with Alex Savage though, there is now an incentive to completing each raid tier, a mount, a minion and who knows what the final tier will have, so you can't say that they're not adding 'free' stuff into the game (to be frank, nothing in this game is free seeing as you are paying 15 dollars a month). Square Enix is primarily a business, so when an idea comes to them, they think of adding it into the game first... but obviously, they cannot. There is no place to put these things besides Gold Saucer, and the Gold Saucer gets stale very quickly... but in the end, your cash is what they want in the long run... so either demand it on the cash shop or demand it to be ingame.

    However, what I am truly baffled by is how you can think a pro-cash shop mindset is toxic... it is not toxic, do you know what toxic means?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dictionary
    very bad, unpleasant, or harmful.
    Now, toxicity is subjective, there is very rarely a case where a person or idea is toxic... but this is not one of them, the extra cash allows them to do multiple things... we do not know what those things are, but if you don't want to spend money, just don't. Then you don't 'add into the toxicity', as you so call it to be. It's a simple case here of "I pay 15 dollars, I should get more than 15 dollars worth of stuff in the game", well the thing is, the game isn't run to cater to you, alone, it's built to cater to people of all walks, so personally, I feel that this discussion of "I already pay 15 dollars a month, everything else should be free", is a load of croc.
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    Last edited by ErryK; 07-13-2016 at 01:16 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    "I pay 15 dollars, I should get more than 15 dollars worth of stuff in the game"
    Let's just say your pulling a pretty big strawman here as you have no abillity to actually quantify what "15 dollars worth of stuff" is. This is a subscription based service and and evolving one at that. For all we know it costs them for more/less to develop any content in the game and we only have the market to use as a measuring stick to gauge the perceived cost of things.

    The fact of the matter is that FFXIV has been profitable long before the heavy push for cash shop integration has been brought to the forefront. We can account for this with Square Enix's own financial reports of how well the game is doing. From that data one can extrapolate that they are obviously making a fair bit more money than they are putting into the game meaning that the consumer at the end of the day isn't really getting "15 bucks worth" they are paying 15 bucks to see the game continue development and any and all content added or removed from the game for cash shop purposes is reflected in that cost.

    The only point you really have is that it is correct to state it's a state of supply and demand and (Sadly for some of us) demand is high enough that people feel it's worth the cost to them. On the flip side time can only tell how this effects the game long term user retention as customer apathy is a slow burn rather than a quick drop-off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    It's absolutely ok for me to pay for something when SE had the chance to put something in for free. Because I have the option of doing so. Meanwhile, you would rather rage at me about telling you how the Mog Station works, yelling at me to buy common sense... I would think it would be wiser to lend you that cash so you can purchase some anger management sessions.
    I didn't think I was yelling at you or raging. c: Perhaps you might want to take a course on that boyo.
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