How would I explain this games never changing formula?

[Ryel]

Your complaint amounts to saying "this burger is still a burger, I wanted something new, and all you gave me was a different burger."

Well actually his complaint falls more in line with "This burger doesn't taste very good" or "You advertised a new burger on the menu and yet gave me the same exact one as before so it's kind of bland and nothing has really changed with it" and he's voicing these complaints on the discussion area of the forums where the devs have asked us to critique their "burger".

And? At the end of the day, a burger is a burger is a burger. Doesn't matter if it's beef, lamb, goat, kangaroo, buffalo, chicken, turkey or Dodo, it's still a burger. It doesn't matter if it's American, cheddar, Swiss, mozzarella, Colby or Blue cheese, a burger is still a burger.

Interestingly enough you just listed many things that actually separate different types of burgers from each other, with many of those factors determining the taste or preference a person might have towards certain types. It's as broad a spectrum as trying to say "well a video game is a video game" when an FPS may play nothing like an RPG and many MMOs on the market currently don't even have the same base systems besides being open to hundreds of thousands of players.

Saying "well you're in a burger joint" isn't going to mean much when customers are going elsewhere, especially if they're leaving for the competition who also happens to be selling burgers, obviously there may be something they feel is missing.

and since I'm now hungry...

Go enjoy some burgers.

[Kosmos992k]

Well actually his complaint falls more in line with "This burger doesn't taste very good" or "You advertised a new burger on the menu and yet gave me the same exact one as before so it's kind of bland and nothing has really changed with it" and he's voicing these complaints on the discussion area of the forums where the devs have asked us to critique their "burger".[/URL]

Not quite. If they delivered the 'same old burger', then we'd have multiple exact copies of Sastasha, Thousand Maws, Tam Tara and Copper Bell Mines to cope with. Obviously, we do not.\

This is what really annoys me about the charge that the content is exactly the same, when it patently is not. A dungeon is a dungeon, a burger is a burger. Different meat is a different flavor. Different dungeon settings are analogous to that different flavor. But the dungeons are not the exact same, nor are the raids. The complaint about sameness leans completely on the overall structure of something being similar. Tokesn vs gil, vs tomes, vs MGP vs any other thing you collect in quantity to exchange for something else. It's all the same, why can't we do something different? Um, because money works. Dungeons are places where a team overcomes an obstacle by working together; sometimes with multiple steps involved, sometimes not. Are all the dungeons in the game exactly the same thing because they are light party dungeons with a boss at the end? If so, then every MMORPG needs an overhaul. Clearly they are not exactly the same, and nor are the trials, which differ mechanically and thematically. How would you make them more different?

Seriously, it's so easy to bash on about same old content, copy pasta, etc... without really getting into the points because as soon as you do, it's obvious that a dungeon is still a dungeon, and a trial is still a trial, but they differ considerably in their content, and other than being dungeons and trials they are not the same as each other.

[QUOTE=Yurimi;3773069]Starbucks is no longer just a coffee shop it sells sandwhiches (both artisian sandwiches and regular variety on top of breakfast sandwhiches) and various other snacks;[quote]
StarBucks have always served snacks with Coffee, expanding the range of snacks doesn't alter the fact that it's a coffee shop.

Mcdonalds here used to not have McNuggets, is a chicken nugget a burger? Same with the breakfast menu is a plate of eggs and bacon a burger? It wasn't always there.

McD's has offered Breakfast since the early 70's, and the McNuggets arrived in the early 80s. They are still not the main attraction and McDs' has refined their menu with the focus on the burgers again and again.

A&W chubby chicken family started as only chicken strips before they started adding the chubby chicken burger due to popularity (anyone else old enough to remember chubby chicken as a limited time deal?)

Don't have an A&W near me, so I can't comment.

Wendy's started adding "healthy options" such as salads, yogurts as well as various other things here

Yogurt would be a form of cold, sweet dairy based desert food, like Ice-cream which Wendy's have always served. Wendy's used to have a Salad Bar...but they are still a burger place at their core.

DQ selling hot dogs is neither new, nor does it alter their core business. BK is still a burger place, much like Wendy's selling yogurt, smoothies are a slight change on the theme of milk shakes and ice cream and keeping a tiny plastic bubble full of week old lettuce does not a salad make.
Red Robin is known for what exactly? Burgers. It's a Burger place. Etc...

None of the examples you have given alter the core business.

Extending to FFXIV for a moment, We have the Gold Saucer, Diadem, PvP, Sight seeing, fishing, Housing, gardening, playing the markets, and other side content that is not part of the main content of the MMORPG we play. Like the salads, yogurts, McNuggets and other side items, these do not alter the core of the game one iota. Which goes back to the core point, a burger is a burger is a burger. if the customer stops liking burgers, no amount of additional burgers will help. Like McDonalds, or any of the other places we've mentioned, you could take a side excursion to a McMuffin, a McRib, or even McNuggets for a while, or even come to McD's less often for a while and eat soe tacos for a change. But, if you like burgers, sooner or later you come back.

In other words, SE has provided ample side content to allow players to take a break within the game, from dungeons, raids and trials. But let's face reality and truth, dungeons, raids and trials will always be core to this game since it is what it is.

So, I say again;

(the) complaint amounts to saying "this burger is still a burger, I wanted something new, and all you gave me was a different burger."

Well, yes, but you're are in a burger joint, so burgers are pretty much the Menu, if you don't like burgers any more, there is a taco stand just down the street.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm not working for SE. I am the customer, they are the business, do you go to Mc Donald's with amazing ideas for their crappy burgers? I pay, I enjoy paying when I'm having fun. My subscription is still ticking down and I can't be bothered to log on.

How is SE supposed to cater to you or like-minded people if they do not know what content you want? You complaining on their forum is no different than tumblr whining.

"We want change now!"
"What can of change?"
"We don't know!"

As your criticism isn't constructive, they've better off looking towards people who are and catering to them.

[Ryel]

How is SE supposed to cater to you or like-minded people if they do not know what content you want?

He did exactly this based on the feedback from the thread.

[TheCurls]

He did exactly this based on the feedback from the thread.

Yes, he did. After realizing that making a thread like this and saying "I'm not working for SE. Giving ideas for making the game better isn't my job" is an incredibly stupid way to get anything done.

[Jijifli]

I'm not working for SE. I am the customer, they are the business, do you go to Mc Donald's with amazing ideas for their crappy burgers? I pay, I enjoy paying when I'm having fun. My subscription is still ticking down and I can't be bothered to log on.

Here's the problem with this thought process. You complain that it's always the same thing, but you won't say what you want. Maybe SE can put something that you like, but they aren't going to play a guessing game on it. A business cannot help those that can't say what they want.

Using your Mc Donald's idea, imagine the business getting customers that demand something they like, but don't say what it is. What can they do about it? When asked to say what they want, they just say, "Something I'd like that's different." SE does NOT know who you are, and does not know what you would want. That's why people are asking you to put ideas, because we don't know what you want, and therefor we can't give you anything. Otherwise, you'll just cry out, "THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED," and we're back to square one.

[ChocoFeru]

The problem is that you care too much about items. This is not Farmville where your meta is to get as much items as possible.

This is an online RPG where you enjoy the story, the world, the optional quests with their small stories, minigames, community etc...

[Niraves]

The lack of content isn't one of this games glaring problems. There's tons of content and yes, it can be a bit monotonous but all games get to be that way after you've played them for a while. If you're super bored and don't find the game fun anymore than taking a break is the best thing you can do.

Honestly, the formula for content is fine and the devs ARE trying new things. So do whatever makes you happy, but don't come on the forums spewing negativity just for the sake of negativity.

[CookieMonsta]

The lack of content isn't one of this games glaring problems. There's tons of content and yes, it can be a bit monotonous but all games get to be that way after you've played them for a while. If you're super bored and don't find the game fun anymore than taking a break is the best thing you can do.

Honestly, the formula for content is fine and the devs ARE trying new things. So do whatever makes you happy, but don't come on the forums spewing negativity just for the sake of negativity.

Lolololol I was waiting to see when this advice would come up. Taking a break, jeezus its like you guys don't even want players to stay. People are complaining for a reason, telling them to go away isn't gonna help.

[TankHunter678]

Lolololol I was waiting to see when this advice would come up. Taking a break, jeezus its like you guys don't even want players to stay. People are complaining for a reason, telling them to go away isn't gonna help.

And yet all they ever seem to do is say "change the game!", circle jerk argue why the game should be changed, and never even try keeping suggestion threads alive to throw out suggestions of what they want to see. Other then that they get obviously impatient that just because they demand change NOW the next day is not a patch to change the game to how they want it changed. Content does not just design itself in an instant.

So the only thing we can do is... tell them to take a break. They clearly ran out of content they want to do, they clearly do not want to throw out suggestions for alternate methods of doing the content they like to do, so there is nothing to discuss really.