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    FinaSel's Avatar
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    Fina Sela'dor
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    Please fix job matching when queuing for Frontlines! (No need for 4 healers)

    When I do Frontlines, I often get in a group with 3 or 4 healers.
    Today, I got in a 6 person party. 1 DPS (me). 1 tank. 4 healers.

    In Seal Rock, this is manageable, somewhow, because we only have to capture and hold the Tomelith. But it's still terrible.
    Even as healers, people can defend it long enough without dying.

    However, in the new Frontlines, there is absolutely no need for 4 healers in one party.

    In fact, is the almost impossible to win with this type of party because healers put out almost no damage to destroy the ice.

    I asked at least 1 person to change, and for the first 10 minutes or so, no one would. Halfway in, one healer changed to black mage. (Everyone had other jobs at level 60)

    Why is it acceptable for the system to match this type of party together?
    Please fix this system.

    In the new Frontlines, there is only a need for 1, maybe 2, healers.
    Why is it acceptable to have a party of 1 DPS, 1 tank, and 4 healers, who cannot use cleric stance, in a Frontlines where the main goal is to deal damage?

    Please do something about this. Thank you!
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    Aleister Noir
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    I couldn't imagine any other way of fixing this than by implementing role requirements for queues and preventing people from swapping jobs inside a match. Probably a deathblow to FL as queue times would go through the roof.

    Or I suppose they could totally overhaul pvp abilities and have healers "heal" in the same sense that tanks "tank". Unfortunately, it looks like they're going in the opposite direction with composition requirements by making physical dps the dedicated crystal damagers.
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    There's so few people who pvp and now you want to be picky about job selection? ok then. If anything, they should give healers cleric stance back but balance it.
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    I guess the PvP wait times are very different on Oceanic servers. During prime time the wait time is only about 5 minutes.

    Then let healers use cleric stance or let healers do damage just to crystals then.
    I just hope something is done because it's really frustrating to be in a group of only 6 people and 4 of them are healers.
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    Lace Valeria
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    From a tactical standpoint, I've seen that used as a battle strategy. 3 healers, 1 tank (usually a WAR for the dps), and 4 dps

    Tank/melee DPS scouts/marks targets ahead of the party, either the tank stuns, or the melee opens with a stun, then all engage that single target and neutralize. If the tank/melee is engaged first, healers set to work overhealing any damage done as they fall back to the healer line, while ranged begins to pick them off. If the healer is somehow targeted, the healers focus on each other as the melee flanks & stuns, and all DPS neutralize the attacker.

    There's of course, variations of this strat, but it effectively covers both offense and defense in nearly any situation.
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    Except what is happening isn't 3 healers, 1 tank, and 4 DPS.

    It's 4 healers, 1 tank, 1 DPS in a Frontlines where the main objective is to deal damage to ice.

    Our strategy was to capture to empty enemy bases, but of course it was unsuccessful.
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinaSel View Post
    Except what is happening isn't 3 healers, 1 tank, and 4 DPS.

    It's 4 healers, 1 tank, 1 DPS in a Frontlines where the main objective is to deal damage to ice.

    Our strategy was to capture to empty enemy bases, but of course it was unsuccessful.
    You went the whole match missing 2 players?
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    Please no. You understand how truly broken the duty finder is. Please don't add more calculations to it.
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    Februs Harrow
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    I'm lucky if I get even one healer on my team in Frontlines. Having four healers would be very unusual. Having four healers who don't have a single alternate job to play on would be somewhere close to the same odds as winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning. It's not impossible, surely, but it's definitely not a frequent enough occurrence to warrant amputating the only leg that queue times are currently standing on.
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    You're being overly dramatic for a non-issue, especially on Elemental. I've not once had a Frontline match where there were 4 or more healers. Sometimes there's 3, but the majority of the time you'll have a couple of people do that awkward job switch dance until it's just 2 healers.

    Adding job restrictions will only destroy Frontlines. Even if there was a restriction on the queue, people could just switch when inside. If you want to have control over your setup: roll a premade.
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