A proposed solution for having players become better players.

[Kerii]

If I wanted to RP as an Ice Mage and spam only Blizzard-type spells that would be ok? My sub I play how I want!

To be serious, you and others like you have no reason to be against this. It would not penalize you in any way.

You can be penalized, it's called getting vote kicked. Good luck arguing how refusing to cooperate in a dungeon for "role play reasons" isn't a difference in play style.

[Reinha]

1. DPS roles: Your bonus rating is calculated by the amount of DPS you deal. If the system were advanced enough to allow it, I'd also have it subtract a number factored by the amount of avoidable damage you take.

2. Tank roles: Your bonus rating is calculated by DPS combined with enmity and damage mitigation.

3. Healer roles: Your bonus rating is calculated by amount of actual health restored (ie, overhealing or spamming heal on max health characters wouldn't count) combined with DPS. As content becomes easier from being overgeared, you'll find your DPS contribution scaling a bit more than your healing contribution.

1. Your idea encourages dps players to not care about staying below the tank's enmity, to avoid using support abilities that reduce damage, to avoid resurrecting people and to AoE even if a single target should be focused in a pack. It encourages to not handle mechanics that would lower dps or cause damage taken. Lastly, this suggestion makes dps players vulnerable to tanks pulling targets out of AoE areas, tanks moving targets out of melee range, healers letting dps die and healers/dps knocking targets back.

2. Your idea causes disparity between tanks based on off-role potential which is not balanced (PLD has no spammable AoE dps, so they only get the threat component while others get dps+threat). It discourages PLD using Clemency on other people and directing damage taken from other people to themselves with their ability. Healers/dps can jynx a tank's dps/aggro by knocking mobs away, by kiting loose mobs instead of bringing them to the tank, by using enmity modifying abilities and by facepulling so aggro is all over.

3. Your idea causes disparity between different healer jobs based on off-role potential which is not balanced. It encourages AST players to give cards to themselves and discourages AST/SCH pre-shielding because of overheals. It discourages using damage mitigation abilities (Protect, bubbles, Virus, Disable, E4E, stuns) because they lower the amount needing healed. It encourages healers to spend MP at the end of a pull instead of letting the passive regeneration fill up HP bars. Team members playing well at early gear levels would make it hard to build up rating as a healer, because healer dps would not yet scale well.

[Seoulstar]

Of course this was a thread about all classes. But somehow it turned into a insult any healer that doesn't DPS thread. You know, I'm growing really tired of seeing threads like this. Even though the healer is keeping the party alive. They're apparently "Bad" for not DPSing. I swear, the more I come to the NA forums. The more I wonder do people from other regions whine and dictate other roles as much as this one. If a healer doesn't want to DPS, so what? That doesn't make them a bad healer. You want people to do more? How about not insulting them like some child and actually try to be understanding? At first I was a healer that didn't want to DPS. But then some people just told me to maybe try to ease my way into it. Don't rush it, just have fun and see where it goes. And guess what? Now I DPS whenever possible. Why? Because I wasn't forced to, I wasn't ridiculed like so many of the people in this thread just seem to love doing.

[mp-please]

Even though the healer is keeping the party alive. They're apparently "Bad" for not DPSing.

Keeping the party alive isn't enough to make a healer good either, one can make a macro to mash cure I while they afk. Does that make them a good healer? Hell no. Yes you're keeping the party alive but you aren't playing the job as intended and neither you're helping the other members on your party.

I swear, the more I come to the NA forums. The more I wonder do people from other regions whine and dictate other roles as much as this one.

What part of NA has the lowest savage clear rate didn't you understood? Western players are too egocentric to think about the whole group rather than themselves.

How about not insulting them like some child and actually try to be understanding?

Personally i don't insult anyone or call out healers to dps (99% the times), i've went through so many bad healers, bad tanks and bad dps that i rather just save myself getting some white hairs and just stay quiet. Anyways to the point, what is there to understand when the tank is taking 200dmg/s with 20k hp while self healing here and there and the healer is mashing the hell of cure I or being completely afk while HoT/fairy handles the healing?

Then this encourages tanks not using a proper cooldown rotation, with healers mashing the hell out of cure why would anyone mitigate damage? Most tanks i know even refuse to use cooldowns just to spite healers who don't carry their weight. Either way, healers are casters. Unless you're being limited by the instance mp requirements, you should always be casting. It's unjustifiable to not being casting every 5 seconds, the sooner healer wannabes put that in their head, the sooner we'll have a better playerbase rather than call out "muh sub muh gameplay" like a lot do. The holy trinity makes each player important to clear a duty.

[Khemorex]

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dosnt wonder me if people react wiht "muh sub muh gameplay" , uve just demonstrated that u have 0% understanding of other peoples feelings or what someone else have to say.

also if ur tank friends dont use cooldowns , how should a healer whos not that confident with dps , try to dps? :P

not everyone is a hero like u are ^^

[mp-please]

dosnt wonder me if people react wiht "muh sub muh gameplay" , uve just demonstrated that u have 0% understanding of other peoples feelings or what someone else have to say.

Anyways to the point, what is there to understand when the tank is taking 200dmg/s with 20k hp while self healing here and there and the healer is mashing the hell of cure I or being completely afk while HoT/fairy handles the healing?

Please answer the question.

[Zojha]

Of course this was a thread about all classes. But somehow it turned into a insult any healer that doesn't DPS thread.

Because it's really the most obvious and common example of a bad player, so it's easy to point fingers.

I mean, nobody would even attempt to argue that a DPS that only puts a DoT on a mob and then hops around for the next 18 seconds is not a bad player - even though that's literally what only healing and not DPSing boils down to most of the time. And technically, that DPS is even doing his job correctly, because he is dealing damage and the mob would die to it - eventually. This is the level of play we're talking about.

The underlying principle here is:"Don't just stand around, make yourself useful." And the reason why healers tend to be singled out there is because no tank or DPS even questions this principle. No tank ever goes:"Well, I got aggro, I'll just stop hitting this mob and jump around until I no longer have." Neither do DPS - even bad DPS use their GCDs, just inefficiently. That is something healers do rather exclusively. And that's why bad player debates quickly gravitate towards them.

[Seoulstar]

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The whole tank part was quite..a bad example. If a tank does that, then they're not doing their primary role. Which is tanking, which they have to maintain aggro. With that example, you're going as if a healer isn't doing their primary role and just saying "Well, he has full health now. I'm just going to jump around until his health reaches zero". The healer is not a DPS. It's called a healer for a reason. Their role is to keep the party alive. Nothing more, nothing less. DPSing is just a little extra. It is not mandatory. And it does not make them a bad player. But everyone has their own opinion..even when it's illogical.

[Archaell]

The whole tank part was quite..a bad example. If a tank does that, then they're not doing their primary role. Which is tanking, which they have to maintain aggro. With that example, you're going as if a healer isn't doing their primary role and just saying "Well, he has full health now. I'm just going to jump around until his health reaches zero". The healer is not a DPS. It's called a healer for a reason. Their role is to keep the party alive. Nothing more, nothing less. DPSing is just a little extra. It is not mandatory. And it does not make them a bad player. But everyone has their own opinion..even when it's illogical.

It was actually spot on example. The tank has to maintain Provoke +1 aggro to make the same contribution as the healer who is only healing. It's not tank's job to kill things, it is tank's job to tank things ftw.

Imagine that dps players and tanks would press the same amount of buttons as the healer who is only healing - 1 hour expert roulettes the new meta.

[Seoulstar]

It was actually spot on example. The tank has to maintain Provoke +1 aggro to make the same contribution as the healer who is only healing. It's not tank's job to kill things, it is tank's job to tank things ftw.

Imagine that dps players and tanks would press the same amount of buttons as the healer who is only healing - 1 hour expert roulettes the new meta.

And it's not the healers job to kill things. The healer's job is to keep the party alive through the entire dungeon. Not DPS. As I stated, the other comment is basically going as if a healer not DPSing is the equivalent of watching your party health reach to zero.