Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Mahri]

PvP is competitive, but it's also a sideshow to the main event, which is purely co-op.

[Larkspur]

I agree with your opinion, and I don't really see the need for a ranking system. If someone is doing something wrong you can approach them in a non-hostile way about it and attempt to correct it, and if they don't correct their behavior... well, they'll learn down the road the hard way. I know I have when I started the game 2 years ago on launch.

[Zari]

As for the topic at hand
Some sort of grading system would be really difficult to accurately implement without issues and falsities in the calculations.

There is also the fact that if it forces people to play with others in their "tier" you completely throw away the entire point of the duty finder here. Not to mention drive players away while forcing everyone to have crappy queue times just so you dont have to deal with the occassional crappy player in DF.

If you want people that are on your standards all the time do it with friends or FC or in the PF

[Klamor]

Wow. I think this behind-the-scenes rating system would be an amazing addition. Can't really be abused because it has no player input other than just doing your job as well as you can. Nobody would ever notice that the queues are taking longer because they're ranked lower unless it specifically told you that's the reason for your specific wait time.

However, since I understand that the majority of the posters here are the vocal minority, and of that minority the majority are probably exactly the ones who this rating system would hammer, I can definitely see why so many people would be totally against a system like this interfering with their duty finder. The other aspect, is that PF isn't any better than DF, because you have the exact same people in both. The ones looking for a carry; the ones that over estimate their experience, and cause 3rd-phase parties to wipe in the 1st phase; etc. They're all the same, and putting specific keywords in the PF description doesn't do anything because apparently most people are illiterate and can't read them or simply can't be bothered to do so.

Makes me really wish I had taken the time before to learn Japanese so I could just transfer to their server and play with individuals who actually put forth effort to accomplishing a goal... as a team...

INB4 all the quotes and scowls on peoples' faces as they think "elitist", and "asshole", and other things to make themselves feel better about being the weight that drags their group down.

[Kaeoni]

The system would calculate your rank

An automated Number crunching system cannot accurately represent and dole out ranks to people because it cannot calculate every single factor involved. A new player, a New tank, a person new to that instance, a person who has played for years but is now trying a new class, If they are sick, Lag, What other people in the group might be doing to hinder their numbers, The babies diaper needs to be changed. So those people deserve to have a lower rank?

Ok, so we make rank more lenient? So then what's the point of a rank? Oh there is none? Then what's the point? I com learning tanks/healers ect if they're trying. They deserve praise don't they? I wish I could give it out to the badass Ninja there too ya know, But I have a soft spot for people who're learning a role but it takes us 3 times as long as it should to complete something. But they're showing some real heart. Trying their best! I love helping people if I really can... It's a good thing the computer can calculate that huh? Yeah.. I thought not.

Numbers only tell part of the story and to separate people based on a number game will not fix the problem.

Take initiative and find the people you want to play with. It'll be fun. Trust me

[Normalizer]

An automated Number crunching system cannot accurately represent and dole out ranks to people because it cannot calculate every single factor involved. A new player, a New tank, a person new to that instance, a person who has played for years but is now trying a new class, If they are sick, Lag, What other people in the group might be doing to hinder their numbers, The babies diaper needs to be changed. So those people deserve to have a lower rank?

With enough numbers of run the rank will go nearer to your accurate rank, it is not a fixed number. So, if you have lag in EVERY runs you did, or if you have to change babies diaper EVERY runs, or if you play like a total newbies EVERY runs, then yes, you deserve to have a lower rank.

[Klamor]

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Law of Large Numbers

For your learning pleasure.

With enough numbers of run the rank will go nearer to your accurate rank, it is not a fixed number. So, if you have lag in EVERY runs you did, or if you have to change babies diaper EVERY runs, or if you play like a total newbies EVERY runs, then yes, you deserve to have a lower rank.

Thank you, Normalizer.

[MihaelB]

Makes me really wish I had taken the time before to learn Japanese so I could just transfer to their server and play with individuals who actually put forth effort to accomplishing a goal... as a team...

Share this sentiment so much, it's like the League mentality. It's not about how good you are, it's about how many mistakes you make and it's about finding 3-7 other people who can make an equal amount of less mistakes as you can. Bonding to become great comrades and friendships is a bonus.

[Kaeoni]

With enough numbers of run the rank will go nearer to your accurate rank, it is not a fixed number. So, if you have lag in EVERY runs you did, or if you have to change babies diaper EVERY runs, or if you play like a total newbies EVERY runs, then yes, you deserve to have a lower rank.

Even if that were true man. Well I mean it is. I still don't believe in it. It's not like I want to let people get carried, or want people to think they can... If i had it my way everyone would be halfway decent... And for the record, since 2.0 I've never come across these people that people are claiming only auto attack, or can't do a 1-2-3 Combo. I'm not saying it's impossible... But I don't think it's such a huge problem that we need to make an entire ranking system to Separate our community... It says some real bad shit about our society if we need that, and that we're okay with that... Especially if other servers are just fine? So instead of trying to change? We just... Use force... I don't think i could play a game that uses force on it's community... I don't think people should willingly give into these types of constructs. I think we should evolve societally. When I think of Force I think of Leaders in history who have done corrupt and unforgivable acts and atrocities in the name of something "good"... I'm not a bad player. But I have other games I can play, and this type of thing would be a game killer for me. I don't need to be assigned a rank to tell me or understand how good I am or anyone else is... Morally I just don't believe in marginalization of a people period...

[Obysuca]

B is in the middle, the boss is in the middle, put 2 and 2 together.

To be fair though, B should go on the left, A in the middle.

--------A-------
--- B-------C---

It feels like no one notices the game is even telling you to do that setup too >_> Seeing as when the adds do spawn and people have B in the middle, the middle add goes to the left, to A and the left add goes middle, to B. Watch VA's last boss adds and who they have hate on when they spawn if you don't believe it. Not that it matters too much, just something thats bugged me for a while lol




Also, not saying we need something that splits the playerbase, but we kind of do need something to improve the overall playerbase. Not trying to be elitist or anything, but it's horrible when you queue up for something and theres no new person message, yet 6-7 people in the pt have 0 clue on how to do it and just cause wipe after wipe after wipe D: Had that happen multiple times, in easy content. Another example, today I was doing some Bismarck ex to see if I could get a bird, just through DF (I know it's not the best way to get a bird, but eh, needed something to do while FC people got on lol). Everyone in the pt was at least i220+. We didn't have enough dps to kill the snakes.

16 years of playing mmos and I've never seen a mmo so dumbed down and hand holding (except savage), that people still fail at it :/ I miss when mmos actually made you put in effort or you wouldn't get anywhere. Yes, people quit because of that, but the people who stayed actually formed a great community and pugs were safer and less of a waste of time from nonstop wipefests because people being lazy.

A good portion of the time, terrible/lazy players who have no intention to improve, are what causes elitism. So if you complain about people being elitist, take the time to look at the people who are causing the frustration (the same people who expect to be carried or only want to press 2 buttons) and making people "elitist" because some people actually want to clear content, especially easy content and don't want to spend hours/days/weeks wiping when theres no excuse for it, especially in a game that's incredibly easy like XIV. Not even kidding about incredibly easy. It takes a few seconds to just read your skills and over half of them even tell you which skill to use next in the combo. There's no excuse for someone with tome gear to be doing almost no damage. Theres not really many different ways to do a rotation in XIV, seeing as it tells you "use this or you won't do more damage", so unless you're just hitting random buttons, which it seems some people actually do, theres no reason not to be doing average/good damage.




Tl;dr - XIV is an incredibly easy game but people still fail at basic things. Something needs to be done and SE needs to stop catering to people who cry for nerfs on things that don't need to be nerfed just so they can do it in their sleep, which when everything is easy, everything is boring. As the popular saying goes "Git gud".

I have nothing against new players, so don't get me wrong, it's just the people who want to be carried and don't give a crap :/ The "I pay my sub" excuse is poor. Yes, you pay your sub, but you're also ruining it for people who pay their subs.