Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
Ok fine so we can agree on somethings, just stating you skip expert (you said roulettes) would've been all that was needed ages ago. Even then all the content all the way upto expert is pretty much speedruns and farm's. Not exactly what I call brilliant in terms of teaching newbies things.

Maybe "making fun of" isn't the correct way to put it, it's more poking fun at little mistakes people do. Healer forget to heal the tank? Talk about how horrifc the experience was blood everywhere and you'll need about 10 beers to calm down afterwards etc.

Ofc I care about my group that's why I'm the way I am with them. The question is do you? Do you take any proactive steps to not judge those you are playing with because they don't meet your standard? Do you do anything to make the run more enjoyable apart from doing your job? I work my butt off (making things go BOOM!) and try to take the helm when it comes to openining them up a bit for conversation and the vast majoirty I come across are willing to respond in kind. The community is not this robot people make it out to be and should be a certain way, it's a massive blend and I love it that way. I don't care if your deepz is low if we are having a laugh, it's cool if it's high and you don't wanna talk, it's amazing if it's high and you like talking too.I'm not going to get that 3rd choice all the time and I'm perfectly happy with that.

I don't see how dps parsers are going to make people all of a sudden not become speedrun drones, I only see it enhancing the problem.
Well said.I agree that newbies are not taught well in this game. I think a big issue is the massive spikes in difficulty. Instead of something gradual that shows you how to do something easily, and then makes it a bit harder and then a bit harder, the dev team seems to just throw mechanics in at top notch at seemingly random intervals. It results in a very poor teaching method.

That said, I don't think that is the issue. DPS skills are given quite intelligently with job/class quests that make you use them, and their given to you in order and even light up to do appropriate combos. Doing simple rotations should be easy for anyone that pays at least a little bit of attention. That is all we need really. However, when a level 60 in 200+ gear does 500 DPS, they're obviously not doing a simple rotation.

I appreciate your attitude towards your groups, and I am somewhat similar. A slow run can definitely be improved with some fun banter or chatter. Unfortunately, most groups are usually quite quiet. As I mentioned, I find a lot of fun in doing my best, so I'm usually hammering out my rotation as best as I can. That leaves little room for me to initiate that conversation.

I must say though, that while I don't care if a DPS is say 1000 instead of 1800, I do care if they are 500 instead of 1800.

DPS parsers would do two things. Most specifically, they would allow conversations of DPS and thus result in peer pressure to improve. This can be done maturely and it can be done immaturely. I believe that most people are quite mature and would be able to handle it, while the fewer immature people would get reported and/or kicked. Conversations can be had such as, "Hey SMN, on that trash pack you only had 600 DPS vs my 3000, what kind of rotation are you using?". Second, that SMN in my example could see for themself that DPS discrepancy. it's quite possible up until that point, he had no idea his DPS was so low. He may have gone through all the roulettes getting caried and just assumed the single player duties were designed to be incredibly difficult. It's possible that when he saw that he was doing 600 vs another's 3000, that he might ask for help. He might go online to ask? He might just practice on a dummy. It's also possible he'd do nothing and continue on. The idea is that some people would improve, not all.

Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
Forums are generally where people come to complain this wasn't their intended purpose but in practice that's what they become this forum and the reddit pages are well known for their dislike of the DF and anyone not preforming in the 90+ percentile for their role in every single thing they do. so unless the posters of reddit and this forum numbers in the millions that play this game all over the world and the fact that not every thread. if this was a larger issue everyone would be feeling it. You might sit there with a paraser in a dungeon and if they aren't hitting 1800 dps you consider them below you and slowing down the run. but again that's you and the very small amount of people who think like you in that regard.
I feel you are mistaken on the number of players. The most recent census placed it at around 700,000 characters, and that doesn't account for players having alts (my buddy has 6 alts lol) so it's far more likely around 600k players. That said, obtaining information from the forum and reddit is biased. You are completely right, and not all of my reasoning was based solely on them. That said, they are also a source of information and support my argument. Do you have any sources to backup yours?

I do appreciate that you added the words might and may. However, I do not think people are below me. I'm actually highly competitive and prefer it when I am the top DPS. That said, when DPS are pulling less than the healer/tank, that is when it is a concern, imo.