Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Iromi]

This won't allow carrying anymore so they will never do it. Nearly the entire game revolves around carrying people through their stuff so they can get their shiny faster.

Relic is just a carry quest..basically. Is why I do hunts instead or play only with my FC...I have no problem helping people but I won't blindly carry bad people who run their mouth and act entitled. Not everyone is like that but it seems to be the mentality created with how the DF and tomes work which is why this game makes so much money. Bad players can easily get whatever they want lol.

I think instead something should be offered that teaches players. Teach them why they are "bad" and how to fix it. Either way no matter what the devs put in if people get discouraged they will quit so I don't ever see them putting in something like that.

[Andevom]

I think instead something should be offered that teaches players. Teach them why they are "bad" and how to fix it. Either way no matter what the devs put in if people get discouraged they will quit so I don't ever see them putting in something like that.

Only so much of that feels appropriate for an MMO. It'd be kind of awkward if you failed at, say, Titan, and some Protip came up like "Trying avoiding those Landslides, they'll knock you off"! Too hand-holdy.

Guildhests essentially do this though, but bad players don't actually apply what you're supposed to learn in those to other instances.

[Waterdeep]

And I will ask again: What is so hard about finding likeminded people on your realm to run this content with? I have 40+ people on my friends list, all competent player, and could run with them any DF content I want any time I log on. And that doesn't even account for my FC that is filled with likeminded people as well.

This is something I honestly don't get.

[bass9020]

And I will ask again: What is so hard about finding likeminded people on your realm to run this content with? I have 40+ people on my friends list, all competent player, and could run with them any DF content I want any time I log on. And that doesn't even account for my FC that is filled with likeminded people as well.

This is something I honestly don't get.

^this pretty much.

I no longer run DF with randoms unless I absolutely need too, I have people I run with that I know are competent players so I roll with them most of the time.

[mp-please]

All of your points fail to prove the majority of people who play this game do not care or do not know about proper rotations which is what you said.

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You're so blind over my use or majority that you're misinterpreting my whole argument.

And I will ask again: What is so hard about finding likeminded people on your realm to run this content with? I have 40+ people on my friends list, all competent player, and could run with them any DF content I want any time I log on. And that doesn't even account for my FC that is filled with likeminded people as well.

This is something I honestly don't get.

We already do that, it's called a static.

[Snugglebutt]

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You're so blind over my use or majority that you're misinterpreting my whole argument.

Do not edit my post in your quotes. I said what I said, people are free to go back and read my actual post and your pretending I said something else through misleading quotes as though they came from me will get you reported.

[mp-please]

Do not edit my post in your quotes. I said what I said, people are free to go back and read my actual post and your pretending I said something else through misleading quotes as though they came from me will get you reported.

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You're so blind over my use or majority that you're misinterpreting my whole argument.

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[Waterdeep]

We already do that, it's called a static.

Oh really now? Gosh, I didn't know that! But if you have one of those new fernagled 'statics', what does the whole topic, the miles long discussion about it, concern you? You have already achieved what you wanted, surrounded yourself with players of your level, that bring results that you deem acceptable for your experience. There is no reason to call for arbitrary rating systems for other people unless you need to feed your own ego and signal to everyone around you that you are not one of 'them'.

[mp-please]

Oh really now? Gosh, I didn't know that! But if you have one of those new fernagled 'statics', what does the whole topic, the miles long discussion about it, concern you? You have already achieved what you wanted, surrounded yourself with players of your level, that bring results that you deem acceptable for your experience. There is no reason to call for arbitrary rating systems unless you need to feed your own ego and signal to everyone around you that you are not one of 'them'.

So instead of having every type of player play with each other, we're going to separate them into groups rather than help players who want to improve clueless about their performance.
That's the major difference between the japanese players and the western players, they host runs to help players clear runs, we sell runs to carry. They encourage teamwork, we exile players into groups.

That is not the solution.

[Waterdeep]

So instead of having every type of player play with each other, we're going to separate them into groups rather than help players who want to improve clueless about their performance.

But that is quite literally what you are calling for. A rating system that divides by DPS will make sure people with weak dps stay with other people who don't know better, while people whith better DPS can march through the content in 10 minutes, don't say a word and get back to idling in Idyllshire. The very system we have right now lets you have every type of player, that is the very beauty of it. Any kind of raiting will seperate it even more.