Veto One Dungeon in Each Roulette

[Eoko]

Hello everyone,

My name is Eoko and I hate Aetherochemical Research Facility with a passion that transcends every other possible dislike of anything in the game. And the sheer number of times it comes up in the Lvl. 60 roulette is ridiculous. For a dungeon that is literally a 1/7 chance it comes up way too frequently.

This idea is to have the ability to VETO a dungeon from every roulette. Possibly not the Expert Roulette as it only consists of 2, but all of the others. This could work similarly to the ⃠ that was added to the Journal to remove quests from appearing. Simply select one dungeon from your duty list and veto it from being a possible selection for you.

EX:
The Aetherochemical Research Facility ⃠ (or ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ ⃠ in my case)
Neverreap
The Fractal Continuum
Saint Mocianne's Arboretum
Pharos Sirius (Hard)
The Antitower
The Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)

If you try to click off another dungeon in the same list, it will give a pop up message saying that you have already veto'd a dungeon in ___________ roulette.

As an aside, I'd also love to see "Low Leveling" and "Mid Leveling" rather than just "Leveling" 15-32 and 35-50 maybe.

This would allow players to avoid having to do specific pieces of content that they know they hate, without ditching a party by leaving or suffering through it in anger. It also is a very, very easy way to see what dungeons people really aren't liking, and would give the developers an easy way to determine which those are. They could then try to determine why they are so hated, or ask us how they might be made better.

With Aethero they boosted the Eso reward on it, as I suspect they saw people ditching it. And maybe that's helped a little. But it certainly hasn't done anything to dissuade my loathing. For those of us that aren't using Eso for relic it's almost pointless. With Aethero, I feel they need to add gear, a minion, a mount, or straight up Grand Company seals to give value to all players and not just those that need to grind Esoterics. Sellable minion/mount, gear that can be converted to seals or seals alone would be a much better fix, in my opinion. Frankly, just give me the seals. But at least being able to see what dungeons get veto'd the most, we can more easily show SE which dungeons don't appeal to us.

[Judah_Brandt]

To be completely fair, the roulettes exist as they do, functionally I might add, in order to fill the need of other players. It's unfortunate that you don't enjoy a particular instance, and that the reward in the roulette is not enough to stave off your dislike, but allowing a particular function that ostricizes particular content is counterintuitive. You'd strand players who either need to do particular content or at worst, cause developmental loss to the game's functionality.

Again, sucks you don't like something, but just think, it isn't about you. It's about the greater good.

[Gokuhan]

As Judah said, the roulette exists to fill empty slots. The reason you are getting the dungeon so much is because other people are selecting it. The 150 Esos it gives is very good for this step of relic progression.

[Eoko]

And my counter to stranding players is that they can also utilize the Party Finder or other social aspects of the game. Dungeons are 4 man instances. Even if every single human being on the entire Data Center chose to Veto Aethero, chances are you could still find people to run it either in FC, LS, or through PF. And the fact is, not everyone will Veto the same dungeons. Frankly, I think plenty of people would choose Neverreap over Aethero as well. And only being able to Veto one, and not multiple, helps to curb the fact that it would take away some of the people helping new players trudge through MSQ-related dungeons.

People already wait 30+ minutes, and upwards to an hour, for some current dungeons and content. Why should it matter if you might have to wait 42 minutes to do Aethero cause half the game population of Aether have Veto'd it? I had to wait over 30 minutes for the first 3 dungeons when I was leveling my last alt. Do I whine because the roulette isn't shoving enough people into a dungeon I need? No. Either you're going to wait, get with people that are also doing that dungeon by choice, you get a group to run it by other means, or you get an FC member to unsync you through the dungeons they can solo. There are a lot of options. And for an MMO, the roulette is the least community/social oriented one.

Is it any better to make people suffer through content they don't like, than it is to make other people wait longer to do said content because they have to? Is it better to have a Healer or Tank drop Aethero in the first millisecond and then have the other three members pray that said role will Queue in Progress for a piece of content a lot of us know people don't like? In the latter, generally I see the party leave along with the Tank/Healer because waiting for 15 minutes plus inside and hoping isn't worth it when they can just re-queue.

I think we can still use the roulette to fill spaced for players that are choosing to, and needing to do content, but also allow players to make their own choices in which pieces of content they do not want to partake in at all. "Veto One" prevents over abuse of the system while still giving us more control over our experience in the game.

As for "relic progress", some of us do not care about relic at all. Some of us won't ever touch it, and some will do it so passively that the sheer thought of a reward simply to go towards "relic progress" is no reward at all. So "more eso for relic" is not a benefit to me. It's obviously the reason it was chosen to "sweeten the pot" on Aethero, but that's not a reward for everyone.

[AskaRay]

People already wait 30+ minutes, and upwards to an hour, for some current dungeons and content. Why should it matter if you might have to wait 42 minutes to do Aethero cause half the game population of Aether have Veto'd it?

Because it's a required dungeon to progress the story...

[StouterTaru]

And my counter to stranding players is that they can also utilize the Party Finder or other social aspects of the game

The same goes for you; you can use the PF to run specific dungeons for your tomes, and you don't even need PF to do that. Roulettes are there to incentivize people running content they otherwise wouldn't, mainly for the benefit of new people.

[ToasterMan]

And my counter to stranding players is that they can also utilize the Party Finder or other social aspects of the game.

That wouldn't work. They'd be sitting in there for hours trying to full their party up. Do you really think people are just going to jump into a PF to go into a dungeon they hate? It MIGHT work on large servers like Giglamesh and Balmung, but on smaller servers? No way. I can see were you're coming from if you're including getting people from FC's and LS's to help. That usually works, but trying to fill a PF for that dungeon with randoms? You might as well just que up for it. Your post was a shining example of the selfishness of the NA community.

[Judah_Brandt]

You see, you openly admit that this feature would actively inconvenience others because you don't want to participate in particular content. It sounds harsh, but that's extremely selfish. Saying that we should have a feature that ultimately curtails its own usefulness by allowing players to cherrypick is a bad gimmick. The roulette specifically offers a bonus for this. If you want to queue for particular dungeons, you have the capability to do so with Duty Finder, but the roulette rewards are very specific to the concept that you are playing whatever content needs to be filled.

So I'm sorry, but your idea while seemingly functional for you is not a good one for the community as a whole.

[Causality]

If you don't like the Roulette system then don't use it, the bonus is there to offset getting something you don't like.

I mean come on, you can just check dungeons on your list that you want to do and hit queue and get one of those at random.

You have the tools!!!

USE THEM!

[Elijahshane]

Lol at this post but I will say I've gotten Aetheorchemical Research facility 9 days in a row now with no bonus