Do you want Dragoon to have a pet!? (poll)

[Denmo]

Dragoon can be cool without having a dragon pet.

I just... I don't get why people think otherwise. It's just...

[Enfarious]

Dragoon can be cool without having a dragon pet.

I just... I don't get why people think otherwise. It's just...

In my case, because 20 jobs that carry a weapon and hit stuff with nothing truly unique, Ok DRG jumps, otherwise it's just run up hit mob WS(animations change) repeat, yeah gear is different, WS animations are too, but that's just ascetics. A pet would really provide a change in mechanics, I get that keeping your pet alive takes work, and that having to master controlling a pet takes some time, and that BLM is the penultimate DD because it just has to hit A > B > C w/o getting resisted where melee DDs have to move around and that makes them more work.
Really want to not have a pet find some other way to make unique mechanics on any job, not just DRG, DRG is just currently the one most easily adapted to it since they've already got the whole dragonkind bit included.

On the note of lore, really they're going to remake the whole of the world, what's to say that the population of Humanoid friendly Dragonkind can't grow with that change. Seriously though if you can tear apart the world you can pretty much rewrite any lore you want.

[Krausus]

In my case, because 20 jobs that carry a weapon and hit stuff with nothing truly unique, Ok DRG jumps, otherwise it's just run up hit mob WS(animations change) repeat, yeah gear is different, WS animations are too, but that's just ascetics. A pet would really provide a change in mechanics, I get that keeping your pet alive takes work, and that having to master controlling a pet takes some time, and that BLM is the penultimate DD because it just has to hit A > B > C w/o getting resisted where melee DDs have to move around and that makes them more work.
Really want to not have a pet find some other way to make unique mechanics on any job, not just DRG, DRG is just currently the one most easily adapted to it since they've already got the whole dragonkind bit included.

On the note of lore, really they're going to remake the whole of the world, what's to say that the population of Humanoid friendly Dragonkind can't grow with that change. Seriously though if you can tear apart the world you can pretty much rewrite any lore you want.

I would prefer gaining dragon abilities then becoming a crappy pet class, leave that to BST and PUP. Give me breaths and dragon magic! Also Dragoons should have a passive increased damage to dragonkin.

[Enfarious]

I would prefer gaining dragon abilities then becoming a crappy pet class, leave that to BST and PUP. Give me breaths and dragon magic! Also Dragoons should have a passive increased damage to dragonkin.

It would only be a "crappy" pet class if the implementation sucked, which it did in XI and that's all anyone seems to want to think about. BST PUP and SMN all had very useful pets, DRG pet failed because the implementation failed, not cause it's a shitty class to have a pet.

Anyway I'm still not arguing whether it should or shouldn't, I don't really care all that much. I do however care about DRG having SOMETHING that makes it at least as desirable as all the other jobs currently are, you know except MNK and PLD which are ~DRG desirability. If those things come in the form of breath attacks that actually serve a purpose, or some other form of dragon blood magic, or w/e, right now the whole YAY I can jump thing isn't gettin it.

It's sad that I've hung up the 2 jobs I wanted to play most (DRG 1st MNK 2nd) to play WAR in most content, and the job I wanted to tank on, is often times the one that people say, "Eh could you NOT play that." If DRG had a pet that provided the extra umph to make it comparable to BLM/BRD/WAR whether that omph was in the form of debilitating breath attacks, or more dmg, or w/e. Or if DRG had some of it's own attacks that could do those things, makes no real difference to me in the grand scheme, I just want to be able to play what I want w/o people saying, "Do you mind NOT playing that it's pretty shitty."

[Krausus]

It would only be a "crappy" pet class if the implementation sucked, which it did in XI and that's all anyone seems to want to think about. BST PUP and SMN all had very useful pets, DRG pet failed because the implementation failed, not cause it's a shitty class to have a pet.

Anyway I'm still not arguing whether it should or shouldn't, I don't really care all that much. I do however care about DRG having SOMETHING that makes it at least as desirable as all the other jobs currently are, you know except MNK and PLD which are ~DRG desirability. If those things come in the form of breath attacks that actually serve a purpose, or some other form of dragon blood magic, or w/e, right now the whole YAY I can jump thing isn't gettin it.

It's sad that I've hung up the 2 jobs I wanted to play most (DRG 1st MNK 2nd) to play WAR in most content, and the job I wanted to tank on, is often times the one that people say, "Eh could you NOT play that." If DRG had a pet that provided the extra umph to make it comparable to BLM/BRD/WAR whether that omph was in the form of debilitating breath attacks, or more dmg, or w/e. Or if DRG had some of it's own attacks that could do those things, makes no real difference to me in the grand scheme, I just want to be able to play what I want w/o people saying, "Do you mind NOT playing that it's pretty shitty."

let me rephrase. I would rather have dragon breaths/magic then be a very well made pet class. Its not that I care about a wyvern its that I dont want dragoon to be a pet class because I don't enjoy pet classes. Also dont know why people think DRG is so weak, its not but if you are comparing to AoE ability then you do get the impression. I guess i never looked at DRG and said I want to play that class for its AoE capabilities. If you compare BLM and DRG for single target DPS then you have to consider BLM is better because it doesn't have to worry about positioning for combos. If DRG didn't I'm willing to bet its damage would be comparable or better.

[Enfarious]

let me rephrase. I would rather have dragon breaths/magic then be a very well made pet class. Its not that I care about a wyvern its that I dont want dragoon to be a pet class because I don't enjoy pet classes. Also dont know why people think DRG is so weak, its not but if you are comparing to AoE ability then you do get the impression. I guess i never looked at DRG and said I want to play that class for its AoE capabilities. If you compare BLM and DRG for single target DPS then you have to consider BLM is better because it doesn't have to worry about positioning for combos. If DRG didn't I'm willing to bet its damage would be comparable or better.

So what you've said here is, if your looking for max single target DPS DRG isn't the best, and if your looking for AoE max then DRG is not the best. So then really what I'm thinking is that DRG isn't now but to give it some abilities that'd make it useful for more than it's not "top" DPS in any situation, then we all could benefit.
If they come from a pet, great, if not, I'm still ok w/ it, I just am sick of being asked to play "not" DRG because it's not the best at anything at all. MNK has equal or better DPS and more survivability, WAR can tank AoE trash mobs and still hold it's own DPS on single targets especially while Berserk is up. BLM will forever have the highest DPS, that's fine it should, but the relatively low risk that they spew spells with now makes them OPd as a result of WARs insane hate gen.

Really my whole stance is give me something that makes me desirable, idc if it's a pet or not. I don't get why people are so opposed to pets in general. Did they really do people that bad in the past? I loved my PUP, BST wasn't bad, DRG was decent if you subbed the right things and used it well, SMN well let's be real SMN was beast for alot of stuff. Pets in other games were almost all useful, except for a couple vanity ones, what's the worst that could happen here?

[Krausus]

So what you've said here is, if your looking for max single target DPS DRG isn't the best, and if your looking for AoE max then DRG is not the best. So then really what I'm thinking is that DRG isn't now but to give it some abilities that'd make it useful for more than it's not "top" DPS in any situation, then we all could benefit.
If they come from a pet, great, if not, I'm still ok w/ it, I just am sick of being asked to play "not" DRG because it's not the best at anything at all. MNK has equal or better DPS and more survivability, WAR can tank AoE trash mobs and still hold it's own DPS on single targets especially while Berserk is up. BLM will forever have the highest DPS, that's fine it should, but the relatively low risk that they spew spells with now makes them OPd as a result of WARs insane hate gen.

Really my whole stance is give me something that makes me desirable, idc if it's a pet or not. I don't get why people are so opposed to pets in general. Did they really do people that bad in the past? I loved my PUP, BST wasn't bad, DRG was decent if you subbed the right things and used it well, SMN well let's be real SMN was beast for alot of stuff. Pets in other games were almost all useful, except for a couple vanity ones, what's the worst that could happen here?

Why should DRG be the best? Our self sustainability is second to none not sure why you think MNK has more survivability we have access to all their survivability skills as well as Life Surge. Sure DPS is similar but we dont have to burn through mana to sustain ours. BLM is also reliant on a mana pool as well as low survivability. I agree with the direction Yoshi is taking DRG which is to make them a crit based DD.

As for WAR berserk sucks balls and they are not comparable to DRG in damage and they are nerfing SC which is a major factor in WAR hate generation. If you are asked not to bring DRG then those people are idiots.

[Elexia]

Dragoon can be cool without having a dragon pet.

I just... I don't get why people think otherwise. It's just...

Same reason Yoshida himself acknowledged that all classes were basically "the same" and nothing "unique or specialized" about them and he wanted a change. So it can be "cool" with or without a pet, it's up to what SE wants, only pussies cried about a pet, I mean, a DRG in XI who knew how to work Drakesbane and Stardiver was a deadly DD...and it has a pet.

A PUP who knew what they were doing were a very good DD and/or support, but people just want to be able to mindlessly attack stuck, alas is the present and future of MMO gamers and it's a sad one.

[Denmo]

Same reason Yoshida himself acknowledged that all classes were basically "the same" and nothing "unique or specialized" about them and he wanted a change.

You're right. Those space-alien-suit wearing, pole jumping, backwards leaping, long-range melee-ing dragoons aren't unique enough. They gotta have wyverns or else they're all JUST like those fist-weilding, close-ranging, dodge-happy, punch-kick-combo-ing monks.

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It's a DD class. Dress it up however you want, it will always be a DD class. The point of a DD class is to deal damage, wyvern or no. Adding a Wyvern pet will just only satiate the XI qq'ers who feel entitled by their 5-hour-waiting-for-party-loldrg days.

[Elexia]

Adding a Wyvern pet will just only satiate the XI qq'ers who feel entitled by their 5-hour-waiting-for-party-loldrg days.

This is why other MMO developers gave players the ability to have a pet right? To satisfy the QQers from other MMOs? Are you that daft?