DPSing as a healer

[FunkyBunch]

that barely affects a dungeon isn't a good idea.

It doesn't barely affect the dungeon, when I queue with a Healer friend EX takes 20-25 minutes. (I put up around 1k DPS as my undergeared NIN he puts up 500-700)
When I DF queue and the Healer stands around doing nothing it takes 30+ minutes.

We proved earlier that a Healer who ups his damage from 400 DPS to 800 DPS knocks about 3 minutes off a dungeon run with mediocre players.
So a zero DPS healer adds 6+ minutes to a dungeon run. (even more if the other classes are worse)
If everyone was as bad as the Healer who does zero DPS, it'd take you an hour to do a 25 minute duty. (or not even be able to in some cases)

You guys said we didn't ask. Then I asked, and now you're back to justifying bad play.

[Seoulstar]

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So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted. Also, if you're talking about when you asked one healer and they just said they're lazy..I'm sorry. But that's a terrible excuse. I guess I should assume every pusher that wants a healer to dps is just some ass who doesn't listen to anyone else and think they're right about everything. Of course it's silly to assume that and there are people who genuinely want to help someone become better...but I'm just not seeing that here.

[Taika]

So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted.

No, this boils down to being respectful towards your group members by actually contributing instead of doing nothing. What people are saying is doing nothing half the time is not an acceptable level of contribution or something that should be encouraged by saying "you're doing enough if everyone stays alive". Because very often doing absolutely nothing is enough for people to stay alive. Again:



And the related point is, that even if a person's active contribution of something isn't required to clear an instance, that's not a good reason to not actively contribute. You can clear any instance in the game with a BRD who doesn't sing or a tank who doesn't do any DPS, that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to not sing and not do any DPS, and most of all that's not a good argument to claim that they're playing well (or even well enough) if they refuse to do those things. Because saying that is actively encouraging bad play, and that doesn't benefit anyone.

[Taika]

Please understand that calling people lazy is directed at those people who choose to leave this very relevant and powerful part of their toolkit unused. They choose not to bring a significant benefit to their party and thus they choose to hinder both their own and their party's performance. Just like a tank who doesn't use their defensive cooldowns, a bard who doesn't sing and a DD who doesn't use their damage increasing abilities. They are people who are deliberately choosing not to help their party members in a situation where they could. Like this person I met in an easy dungeon:



What is this if not being lazy and offensive towards your team mates?

It's an entirely different story if a healer wants to be useful and helpful and is learning to be better. And I haven't seen any negative attitudes here or in game directed at those people. At the same time, saying "it's fine to just heal" is dishonest and bad advice to anyone who is trying to learn a healer job and play it well, so there's a good reason to shoot that kind of disinformative advice down.

[randysquirrel]

careful you don't get booted before the end boss of steel vigil HM hehe

every single move is avoidable, so a non-dpsing healer would actually do... nothing :P

[Parawill]

If a healer chooses to have a non-DPS oriented play style, then they can keep their non-DPS oriented play style until they are doing minimum iLvL progression-type content. While it may be their preferred style of playing, please understand that a heal-only healers are considered lazy because they are doing absolutely nothing in their downtime, which means they are not only less active in the fight but contributing less due to offering nothing but their presence and occasional healing.

While it is not necessary to be playing in a more advanced play style that is more intricate (defensive utility, displacement, crowd-control--to some extent, look at PVP--and DPSing) than simply healing only , please understand that doing nothing in healing related down time means there is zero contribution to the objective in that time frame, thus meaning three things:

- Inefficient usage of time
- Inefficient usage of resources
- Inefficient play style

"That's nice, but I still do not have to DPS whatsoever. It is not mandatory. We can complete the instance without me DPSing at all." That is not what I am trying to say. What I am saying is that the play style is inefficient and perceived as lazy, and by association, the player healing in that style is inefficient and lazy (you are in control of what you do, so I think this is pretty safe assumption).

But yeah, at the end of the day: "you do you." No healer is required to DPS when at the expected-unknown iLvL (gear check in progression content). But if the group's DPS is lacking and not 100% and cannot find any new members? Well... It is time to change your play style, especially if you have the power to change a potential enrage/wipe from a fail to a win via healing AND damage.

P.S: Level 60 White Mages with 0 DPS are pure trash because 0 DPS means 0 Assizes. Or they just were not in range, which then honestly makes me question how they are as a player even more.

[KaitlanKela]

To all who claim that healing is your job and nothing else, I ask you, where is that written? Is it in the tooltips? Active help? Serious question.

I think you all just take it for granted that green icon means healing spells and nothing else, but as a scholar I know my toolkit is about 40% healing 40% Dps and 20% situational pet buffs. So if I assume that healing is my only job, I limit myself to less than half my toolkit.

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

[FunkyBunch]

To all who claim that healing is your job and nothing else, I ask you, where is that written? Is it in the tooltips? Active help? Serious question.

I think you all just take it for granted that green icon means healing spells and nothing else, but as a scholar I know my toolkit is about 40% healing 40% Dps and 20% situational pet buffs. So if I assume that healing is my only job, I limit myself to less than half my toolkit.

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

Literally the only thing written about Healers and their role is in the Hall of the Novice and it bloody tells you to DPS when no one needs healing.

[Keramory]

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

This is my argument however. Although I personally DPS in dungeons, I acknowledge by doing so, I'm more then likely doing more then my other party mates. This is because I'm using a majority of my skills as appropriate, as often as I am able. What I don't see is DPS and tanks doing the same. Like...at all.
So can I justify blaming other healers for not doing it either? No I can't. If they want to be lazy fine, everyone else bloody is.

[KaitlanKela]

This is my argument however. Although I personally DPS in dungeons, I acknowledge by doing so, I'm more then likely doing more then my other party mates. This is because I'm using a majority of my skills as appropriate, as often as I am able. What I don't see is DPS and tanks doing the same. Like...at all.
So can I justify blaming other healers for not doing it either? No I can't. If they want to be lazy fine, everyone else bloody is.

And as I said in my other thread, there's a difference between saying "I'm lazy and bad, deal with it," and "not dpsing is acceptable play and I'm not actually bad." It's a misconception that deserves attention to clear up, or else it's never going to get any better. Tanks and DPS don't have this conception as much as the healers do. It's not that healer's are being held to a different standard, it's that our perspective is different and merits discussion/correction.