DPSing as a healer

[Seoulstar]

Maybe I missed a few posts because I don't recall seeing any asking. Just basically dps as a healer or be called lazy, selfish, bad, etc. Or be told to change your role because you don't want to stance dance. Despite the fact it's not mandatory Personally, I have zero problem with dpsing as a healer. I dps whenever I can. But if I see another healer not dpsing? Oh well, it's not the end of the world. If they're keeping the party alive, that's my primary concern.

[FunkyBunch]

Maybe I missed a few posts because I don't recall seeing any asking. Just basically dps as a healer or be called lazy, selfish, bad, etc. Or be told to change your role because you don't want to stance dance. Despite the fact it's not mandatory Personally, I have zero problem with dpsing as a healer. I dps whenever I can. But if I see another healer not dpsing? Oh well, it's not the end of the world. If they're keeping the party alive, that's my primary concern.

You missed many posts I think. And they ARE bad if they're not even up to the Hall of the Novice level. Performing at the Hall of the NOVICE tutorial level is the minimum level we should expect. If you cannot, pick another class or another game. No other class can perform worse than that and not get kicked. But that stupid green icon and "healer" makes everyone get their underwear in a knot when they're asked to do the ACTUAL minimum THAT THE GAME ITSELF ASKS YOU TO.

But it's not JUST here in the forums we're asking.
Two days ago, when I did EX Roulette, I asked if the Healer could please use Cleric Stance.
His response:
"Nah, I'm lazy"

[Fevelle]

"Nah, I'm lazy"

Maybe he was tired or just woke up? You guys make a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe it's a cultural thing, who knows, but personally I don't even pay attention to what healers are doing when I'm DPSing, as long as I'm alive. Too focused on doing my thing to bother with others.

All this "pick another class or another game" makes me think of players who leave clear parties after first wipe. He paid the same as you for the game, bad or good the player has the right to play whatever he wants, as long as he strives to improve. Be a little less arrogant and maybe people won't answer "Nah, I'm lazy" when you tell them what to do.

[Seoulstar]

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Yes, the hall of novice asks you to. But that does NOT mean it's mandatory. It will not decide whether or not you will live or die in the dungeon. It does not say if you don't dps, your entire party will wipe. I don't understand why something so little is such a major deal to some people. As I stated, a bad healer is someone that doesn't do their PRIMARY role. Not their secondary. If the person doesn't want to dps, so what? Just move on, it's not going to kill you. But apparently that seems to be way too difficult. Also, so over that one instance, that means every healer that doesn't dps is lazy? Of course not. There could be numerous reasons. Personally it's none of my business anyways. I'm just going to say this:
People play at their own pace, if they're going to dps as a healer, they will do so when they are comfortable. However long that takes. No amount of rants and insults will change that.

[Gemina]

You missed many posts I think. And they ARE bad if they're not even up to the Hall of the Novice level. Performing at the Hall of the NOVICE tutorial level is the minimum level we should expect. If you cannot, pick another class or another game. No other class can perform worse than that and not get kicked. But that stupid green icon and "healer" makes everyone get their underwear in a knot when they're asked to do the ACTUAL minimum THAT THE GAME ITSELF ASKS YOU TO.

You can clear HoN using only heals. I know because I just did it. So by your definition these players are not bad. HoN is seriously taken out of context.

[CookieMonsta]

You can clear HoN using only heals. I know because I just did it. So by your definition these players are not bad. HoN is seriously taken out of context.

I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?

[Gemina]

I can clear HoN without oGCDs in DRG, whats your point? Would you rather I not use any oGCDs on my DRG in dungeons too cuz thats the minimum required?

The point is right there in what you quoted, but it might help if you actually read the post from the poster I quoted, instead of just mine which you clearly did since you missed the point. Poster stated that players are bad if they can't perform at the HoN level. So I went and cleared it using only heals.

As for you, as long as your killing stuff and not yourself, you're a-ok in my book. I'm not going to tell you how to play YOUR job.

[Gemina]

Maybe I missed a few posts because I don't recall seeing any asking. Just basically dps as a healer or be called lazy, selfish, bad, etc. Or be told to change your role because you don't want to stance dance. Despite the fact it's not mandatory Personally, I have zero problem with dpsing as a healer. I dps whenever I can. But if I see another healer not dpsing? Oh well, it's not the end of the world. If they're keeping the party alive, that's my primary concern.

Yup, exactly. At no point have I felt like I need to perform at an optimal 99.9% level, 100% of the time. It's being made to feel lazy, selfish, bad and carried if I choose to only heal. I don't see any asking either, I see a lot of barking from pushers telling their healers what to do. I've been in plenty of groups where the healer only heals. It has literally never been a problem getting clears within a reasonable amount of time. I've had more issues getting clears when the healer is DPSing since they cannot reliably do both duties. Doing both takes a reasonable amount of skill, and not everyone possesses this skill. Sorry pushers, that's just the way it is, and why devs will never require healer DPS contribution in casual or story mode content.

[Kitfox]

Doing both takes a reasonable amount of skill, and not everyone possesses this skill. Sorry pushers, that's just the way it is...

Yes, but that just makes one a bad healer. I'm convinced that 'Healer' is a bad name for the role the same way 'Tank' is, they seem to carry the association that these roles don't have an offensive aspect to them. A good player should be able to use all the tools provided to them in an efficient manner. If one does not, they are objectively a bad player, regardless if the reason is anxiety, laziness, pride or incompetence.

[FoxyAreku]

So would people be okay with a tank who grabbed hate then did nothing but auto attack?

He has hate, he's doing his job right?

What about a DPS who just pressed buttons at random and never used buffs?

They're doing damage, so they're fine, definitely not bad or lazy at all.

Sure people are entitled to play however they want in solo play, but in groups, you should be expected to do the bare minimum. If you refuse, well then fine, but don't expect people to be nice to you about it. You will be called lazy and bad-because that's exactly what you are being.