DPSing as a healer

[Gemina]

I said if they can\\'t perform at the level the Hall of the Novice TELLS you to that makes them terrible.
I didn\\'t say only pass it or that passing the Hall of the Novice was enough.

I don\\'t understand the sheer amount of effort spent to justify being bad at being a Healer.

The game tells you what the minimum expectation of a Healer is. You want me to ask? Fine:

Can you please stop justifying bad play, stop justifying playing worse than SE suggests in the Hall of the Novice, and please start being a better "Healer" and helping others be better healers.

I know what you said. You don't have to repeat it. You even reiterated, in which case I will say again that I cleared HoN using only heals.

On the contrary, I don't understand the amount of energy that you're putting into requiring what isn't required to progress in this game. The game's minimum requirement of a healer is to heal, not DPS. That's YOUR requirement. Seriously. Why don't you guys just own up to that? I can at least respect that. You guys are seriously making the issue WAY bigger than it has to be.

I don't justify bad play. We just have a very different definition of what bad play is.

[SaitoHikari]

Man, if some people here even spent as much effort trying to learn about how to balance using all of their skills instead of making long-winded posts on the forums justifying their decision to only use about half of their toolkit, we wouldn't even need this thread.

That said, I do agree over the idea that healer DPS only really exists because this game doesn't really pressure the healers at all outside of raid content. Not only that, but the moment the devs actively try to make non-raid content harder, you get swaths of the community from all three roles reacting negatively to it somehow. People will say they like that the game is becoming harder, while simultaneously avoiding queuing for said content any more than necessary because they don't want to compromise with a community that refuses to learn and takes any suggestion as a personal insult. I can't be the only one that noticed how far less people are queuing up for Trial Roulette now ever since Nidhogg became a thing, to the point where queuing as DPS these days results in near instant pops.

[Seoulstar]

If people could just understand that others play differently than they do. That trying to justify insulting, controlling, and and making people feel like crap over something that isn't even mandatory..that is so little, that barely affects a dungeon isn't a good idea. This thread wouldn't be needed. As I keep saying, if a healer is going to dps. Let them do it at their own pace, calling them out on the forums and insulting them by calling them lazy, bad, etc isn't going to make them do it quicker. It will probably just discourage them even more. If people truly wanted to help those healers become better. They wouldn't be insulting them on the forums to begin with. You don't help people by making them feel like crap. At least I don't.

[Taika]

Please understand that calling people lazy is directed at those people who choose to leave this very relevant and powerful part of their toolkit unused. They choose not to bring a significant benefit to their party and thus they choose to hinder both their own and their party's performance. Just like a tank who doesn't use their defensive cooldowns, a bard who doesn't sing and a DD who doesn't use their damage increasing abilities. They are people who are deliberately choosing not to help their party members in a situation where they could. Like this person I met in an easy dungeon:



What is this if not being lazy and offensive towards your team mates?

It's an entirely different story if a healer wants to be useful and helpful and is learning to be better. And I haven't seen any negative attitudes here or in game directed at those people. At the same time, saying "it's fine to just heal" is dishonest and bad advice to anyone who is trying to learn a healer job and play it well, so there's a good reason to shoot that kind of disinformative advice down.

[amihavingfunyet]

The game's minimum requirement of a healer is to heal, not DPS. That's YOUR requirement.

Just gonna throw in that it's also not required to mitigate any damage that doesn't oneshot you, or to do more DPS than what is needed to finish a fight/duty within a DPS check or time limit. Surely you don't mind 90 minute expert runs? After all that's the minimum requirement to clear them.

[randysquirrel]

careful you don't get booted before the end boss of steel vigil HM hehe

every single move is avoidable, so a non-dpsing healer would actually do... nothing :P

[FoxyAreku]

No one has to contribute more DPS because the healer isn't doing it.

Um, you may want to rethink this statement, because that is EXACTLY what it means when a healer doesn't DPS, that other people will have to do extra. XD

[Parawill]

If a healer chooses to have a non-DPS oriented play style, then they can keep their non-DPS oriented play style until they are doing minimum iLvL progression-type content. While it may be their preferred style of playing, please understand that a heal-only healers are considered lazy because they are doing absolutely nothing in their downtime, which means they are not only less active in the fight but contributing less due to offering nothing but their presence and occasional healing.

While it is not necessary to be playing in a more advanced play style that is more intricate (defensive utility, displacement, crowd-control--to some extent, look at PVP--and DPSing) than simply healing only , please understand that doing nothing in healing related down time means there is zero contribution to the objective in that time frame, thus meaning three things:

- Inefficient usage of time
- Inefficient usage of resources
- Inefficient play style

"That's nice, but I still do not have to DPS whatsoever. It is not mandatory. We can complete the instance without me DPSing at all." That is not what I am trying to say. What I am saying is that the play style is inefficient and perceived as lazy, and by association, the player healing in that style is inefficient and lazy (you are in control of what you do, so I think this is pretty safe assumption).

But yeah, at the end of the day: "you do you." No healer is required to DPS when at the expected-unknown iLvL (gear check in progression content). But if the group's DPS is lacking and not 100% and cannot find any new members? Well... It is time to change your play style, especially if you have the power to change a potential enrage/wipe from a fail to a win via healing AND damage.

P.S: Level 60 White Mages with 0 DPS are pure trash because 0 DPS means 0 Assizes. Or they just were not in range, which then honestly makes me question how they are as a player even more.

[KaitlanKela]

To all who claim that healing is your job and nothing else, I ask you, where is that written? Is it in the tooltips? Active help? Serious question.

I think you all just take it for granted that green icon means healing spells and nothing else, but as a scholar I know my toolkit is about 40% healing 40% Dps and 20% situational pet buffs. So if I assume that healing is my only job, I limit myself to less than half my toolkit.

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

[FunkyBunch]

To all who claim that healing is your job and nothing else, I ask you, where is that written? Is it in the tooltips? Active help? Serious question.

I think you all just take it for granted that green icon means healing spells and nothing else, but as a scholar I know my toolkit is about 40% healing 40% Dps and 20% situational pet buffs. So if I assume that healing is my only job, I limit myself to less than half my toolkit.

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

Literally the only thing written about Healers and their role is in the Hall of the Novice and it bloody tells you to DPS when no one needs healing.