DPSing as a healer

[Fevelle]

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So you think it's wrong to actually want to HEAL while playing a healer? The real problem in this game is the lack of need for healing. And to be completely honest, I doubt people who are okay with it are long-term FF/RPG gamers.

I am not against them making instances where we're required to heal all the time. I would LOVE that. But they haven't (for casual content)

Yeah, but they absolutely should do.

The Answer: More Healer Pet Classes <3 <3

If you're ok with a pet doing your job while you pretend to be a DPS, I am not, sir.

[CBellz]

So you think it's wrong to actually want to HEAL while playing a healer? The real problem in this game is the lack of need for healing. And to be completely honest, I doubt people who are okay with it are long-term FF/RPG gamers.



Yeah, but they absolutely should do.



If you're ok with a pet doing your job while you pretend to be a DPS, I am not, sir.

It's not wrong to actually want to heal while playing on a healer, but don't you automatically gravitate towards playing efficiently by topping up the party as quick as possible without overhealing and wasting MP? The only difference between XIV and other games is that it rewards you for playing efficiently and having gas in the tank by letting you use MP to DPS. XIV lets efficient healers cast MORE and contribute MORE to the party instead of sitting there half afk and patting their backs because they've let HOTs top up the whole party.

[Fevelle]

It's not wrong to actually want to heal while playing on a healer, but don't you automatically gravitate towards playing efficiently by topping up the party as quick as possible without overhealing and wasting MP? The only difference between XIV and other games is that it rewards you for playing efficiently and having gas in the tank by letting you use MP to DPS. XIV lets efficient healers cast MORE and contribute MORE to the party instead of sitting there half afk and patting their backs because they've let HOTs top up the whole party.

You do know that with good game design it's possible to have MP management mechanics AND not stay still "patting their backs" right?

[Rawrz]

You do know that with good game design it's possible to have MP management mechanics AND not stay still "patting their backs" right?

But this game isn't designed that way. I almost always DF on my Scholar (or another healer) just to avoid getting a healer that only, only, only heals. Whats the point of having an AMAZEBALLS tank that can mitigate like a hot iron wall against a barrage of kittens, when the healer spams Cure or does nothing the entire pull. We have ungodly AOE. We have the most flexible role in the game. We hold life in one hand and spread death with the other, with +10% damage to boot. Its just allot to squander on the "I'm a healer, so I only heal," principle. In other games that's fine, but FFXIV has changed the healing game to a multitasking, decision making, standard.

If you ONLY DPS (Not using any healing abilities: ) You're probably a bad (FFXIV) Healer.
If you ONLY heal (No DPS: ) You're probably an ok Healer.
If you moderately DPS (Healing frequently, but DPSing when you can: ) You're probably a good Healer.
If you Push your DPS (Healing only when needed, but keeping the party up: ) You're probably a GREAT Healer.

[Fevelle]

But this game isn't designed that way.

And I'm not ok with that. This meta could be easily changed by lowering potencies and removing CS.

[mp-please]

And I'm not ok with that. This meta could be easily changed by lowering potencies and removing CS.

[Fevelle]

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Is this for me? Because I'm not a 0 DPS healer, boy. Wanting the meta to change doesn't mean I don't try to get in the current meta. If you think active healing without heal DPS is only achiavable by whack a mole spam gameplay, you should really go out there and try other MMORPGs.

If you run casual content only then sure, you might feel that this game doesn't require any real healing. But there is content in this game that requires both healers to be above 2000 HPS, both having to heal through over 4 million damage taken. The scale of dmg is such that missing 10% mitigation is the difference between a clear and a wipe. If that's not enough healing for you, idk what to say tbh.

The whole post is about DF content, so yeah, casual.

Can you say the same about healers in other MMOs, where DPS isn't encouraged? I seriously doubt it. A game requiring you to literally heal bot spam every GCD is punishing, uninteresting, and doesn't leave a lot of room to do mechanics, so it's very rare to see.

A game requiring you to literally pretend to play another role because your main abilities are not need 90% of the time in 99% of the content is not just uninteresting but also extremely shallow. Healing in this game means "heal the minimum required so you have more time to dps". It's comic tbh.

Taken from another topic:

Been running the expert roulettes a few times without any healers recently with friends. PLD 3 dps and go. Don't need healers. Clemency is more than enough to cover what little damage you do take

If you guys think is is ok for a game, I give up. To be honest, we should just scrap the trinity altogether and give every class enough self healing. I'm sure at least the queues would be a lot faster.

I wouldn't want to throw away Cleric Stance per say, but maybe make a unique version for each class which trades healing for different bonuses. Obviously none of them could have the current version, but I would love some variety when it comes to giving up our excessively strong healing, and it just doesn't seem to be there.

I've asked for this in old posts, but seems like the community think it's waste of dev time.

[Supersun]

And I'm not ok with that. This meta could be easily changed by lowering potencies and removing CS.

...no it wouldn't.

I would still do the exact same thing I'm doing now except I'd only do 100 DPS rather than 1000 and the Scholar auto-following the with the fairy will essentially complete the dungeon just as fast as the Scholar who is essentially writing a book with his APM.

Removing the ability for healers to actually do something in their downtime doesn't accomplish anything. They still have just as much downtime except now all I can do is stand around a whittle my thumbs instead of actually speeding up a run.

[FunkyBunch]

And I'm not ok with that.

Then a play a different game...
They're not going to make DF content Savage content.

[Kabzy]

Then a play a different game...
They're not going to make DF content Savage content.

I do agree that casual content is fine, but to be fair it would be nice to see more actual healing in said savage content. Our raid group always ends up with me DPSing 90% of the time while our AST solo heals with the fairy. And I'm not talking about farming, even during progression I was mainly DPSing. Not that it was even needed, but why would I just stand there overhealing everyone? xD

I love DPSing as a SCH, but even I would like to heal a bit more in raids. Either heavily increase some damage output in raids, or just go all out and give healers a more interesting DPS rotation.