Dual wield when?

[alimdia]

They have 1 weapon mirroring 2 same as ninja. But monk using 2 of the same doesn't seem weird I don't think you would want 2 different types of punching weapons lol

It doesn't matter that you're only using 1 item slot, the class itself is using two weapons, all attacks are using both weapons, so for all intents and purposes it's dual wield, unlike DRG or WAR who attack using a single weapon.

So, dual wiled when? Whenever you decide to play NIN, MNK or PLD.

[TankHunter678]

The biggest issue with making a "proper" dual wielding class that has its weapons split over 2 item slots is that it doubles the amount of farm time.

Imagine having to do the relic grind twice for one class, and having to suffer a major DPS drop because one relic is not the same ilvl as the other relic.

Imagine having to grind for 14 weeks for your weapons to be on the same ilvl, just so you do not suffer the DPS loss.

These kind of issues is why both Rogue/Ninja and Pugilist/Monk have their dual weapons in a single item slot. Otherwise those classes would be held back considerably harder then any other class. The only other option would be to cut down the farm time and double the drop rate just for those class's weapons so that they are "comparable". Though that can also create the issue of them drowning out other class gear drops, or getting geared up too fast making them the raider classes since they progress faster.

[Alistaire]

almost looks like Bruce Campbell

and yeah: gearing and balancing 2 weapon slots for 1 job just doesn't work. They've already changed PLD tome weapons to reflect this and I bet if they could do it all over they'd make those weapon+shields 1 item too. (Too late to do it at this point; ppl would complain about their favorite shield size not being available etc)

[Morningstar1337]

These kind of issues is why both Rogue/Ninja and Pugilist/Monk have their dual weapons in a single item slot. Otherwise those classes would be held back considerably harder then any other class. The only other option would be to cut down the farm time and double teh drop rate just for those class's weapons so that they are "comparable". Though that can also create the issue of them drowning out other class gear drops, or getting geared up too fast making them the raider classes since they progress faster.

You know PLD doesn't have to retake the same quests to get the sword an shield, they get both from the end of one quest

/justsayin'

[Xandos]

Yeah cuz youtube is true.

Why don't you do some research before you open your mouth. Matt Easton is the man that you see in the video. Some of his credentials include a degree in Medieval Archaeology and History and a founding member of Historical European Martial Arts Coalition (HEMAC). He has been teaching various historical martial arts since 2k. I am willing to bet this man has far more knowledge and experience than you do in this subject area. Here is his resume.


Just because something is on Youtube, Wikipedia, or The Internet doesn't make it untrue. It just means you may have to do some fact checking. There have been many instances in many cultures of people using two weapons to fight with. Even if someone can find a way to disprove all real world instances of dual wielding we still have precedence in Final Fantasy to have it. The genji glove from FF6 and the Ninja and Dancer classes from FF11 come to mind.

[Imoen]

You know PLD doesn't have to retake the same quests to get the sword an shield, they get both from the end of one quest

/justsayin'

They said drop rate. Last I checked, quests don't drop rate things.

/justsayin' :P

(Just in case the emoji wasn't enough... it was a jest.)

[Morningstar1337]

They said drop rate. Last I checked, quests don't drop rate things.

/justsayin' :P

fair enough, this was more in response to the relics.

[Imoen]

fair enough, this was more in response to the relics.

Ya. In fairness some of the original relic in 2.0 era didn't give both, but that was then, I'm glad they changed it moving forward.

Anyway, I digress, carry on.

[Joe_Schmoe]

Would sword-and-board count? As in, using a shield primarily as a weapon, and not just something to block with? I'd love to see in this game something like WoW has, gladiator warriors (probably called myrmidons since 'gladiator' is already taken). Big time bonus points if they make them require doing 100ish APM as well, just like the ones in WoW.

[MistakeNot]

Musashi?

Miyamoto Musashi is noted for having used two swords, yes. Noted, because it was quite unusual to do so.

Kodachi are primarily dual.

Are they? Or rather - were they that back when they were used for real? Not a weapon I am really familiar with but if one is to believe Wikipedia it is not really known how it was used historically.

Short swords+ bucklers,

Bucklers are a type of shield. All sorts of one-handed weapons have been used together with shields.

Axe+shortsword,double axe,
Scimitars, katars,etc.

The katar, being a type of dagger, might sometimes have been used as an off-hand weapon - much like the main gauche in Europe.
The rest of those weapons were rarely if ever used in pairs as far as I can tell.

I think you only know about English weapon history and barely that.

A bit more than that. While I wouldn't consider myself an expert, I do have better-than-average knowledge of historical European and Japanese weaponry.