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    [Theory] We are Zodiark [Spoilers]

    Strongest of the scions created by the gods, they feared his growth, and so kept him a child.
    So indomitable is his strength that all things are by him twisted and pressed into oblivion. He alone fashions the laws governing all things, and administers punishment in place of the gods. So is he Keeper of Precepts, and his authority is absolute.


    This is Zodiark´s description in the Clan Primer, from FFXII
    The similarities are obvious.

    Then, from FFXIV:

    -During the "The Maiden's Rhapsody (2015)" FF11 crossover event, Iroha tells us that she finds it strange, how much the WoL reminds her of her own partner.

    Her partner being the FF11 player character, who has been revealed to be a divine being descended to the realm as a mortal, to help and protect it

    Then there would be Thordan´s "WHAT are you" and the DRK storyline and the fact that Zodiark is missing and needs to be revived.

    Would like to know what do you guys think before going further.
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    I'd rather say, if so, we are merely an aspect of zodiark, reborn by the blessing of hyadelin.

    So we, who carry light and darkness together are true mortal gods, that smite even the primal and ascians.

    I guess, hyadelin kept a part of zodiark, after she sealed him within the splitting of dimensions.
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    I'm almost obligated to do this.


    It really is!
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    If you're not a legacy player, where would the previous warriors of light fit into this? Aspects that failed and were re-absorbed?
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    Well, the calamity has had the ascians fingerprints all over them.

    And since they players were only one individual, it can be said, hyadelin absorbed them and brought them back 5 years later.

    Being brought back or awakening after the calamity, for me it isn't that big of a change.

    Also if we are aspects that draw from zodiarks (and hyadelins) power, there can be also more than one warrior of light.

    Alternatively, the Warriors of darkness hold zodiarks power while we warriors of light have hyadelins blessing and are also some divine reincarnation blessed by the 12.
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    Hum, you touched something and i have my proper idea.
    And if we were one of the Twelves reincarnated ?

    There are many things that can attest :
    - First of all, we were asked to choose a divinity when we have created our character (we are this divinity) ;
    - Then, we don't know our past ;
    - Louisoix in his process to defeat Bahamut, he tried to invoke partially the Twelves and stopped the invocation before it was to late. Maybe, he failed somehow. The result is the reincarnation of all the Twelves, or maybe just one : the Warrior of Light.
    - Thordan recognized we are not normal human or even not human at all.
    - There is surely something about Echo but i'am not enough experimented to talk about it.
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    Nice theories... but alas... they actually have already been discounted/debunked in and out of the game. First.... Zodiark. Zodiark's appearance in FFXIV is not his FFXII version at all, or even 'similar'. It is simply a name reference for fanservice... but is not the same entity as the FFXII version with the same lore. The development team confirmed that Hydaelyn is 'it's own unique world', and that FFXII name references are just fanservice and nothing deeper than that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gildrien
    Q55: There are a lot of names from Ivalice such as Dalmasca, Belias, and Zodiak that have been mentioned, is there some connection between Hydaelyn and Ivalice?

    A55: To be absolutely clear, there is no connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice. Likewise there is no connection with FFXI’s Vana’diel. Each are their own individual world. Based on this, there are connections between the things that appear in the world, and we’ll be revealing more in the future.
    That's the meta proof out the way. Now for the actual in-game proof which pretty much debunks this idea completely.

    Specifically, the same reason why the similar old "we are really Primals!" idea doesn't hold weight either, and that is because the Ascians themselves have never refered to us as anything other than mortals. Mortals who are "Hydaelyn's minon', (to use just one dismissive term Lahabrea himself used when addressing us), and mortals with the Echo and incredible powers, but still... just mortal. Even Hydaelyn regarded as us a mortal in the times she spoke to us.

    Then there is the little fact Zodiark was always stated by the Ascians themselves as needing to be "reborn" - and that we were actively hindering that plan, to the point the Ascians were so frustrated by us they were willing to kill us ( of course, that didn't work for them ). If we were really aspects of Zodiark, do you think that the Ascians would have actually stated that? Even Hydaelyn would have mentioned this. No, this crazy theory simply doesn't hold any water I'm afraid, as interesting a twist as it could be however.

    Also, that reference to Iroha's 'master' in the second FFXI crossover event really was a direct reference to the player's character in FFXI, because they really were similar, but for more mundane reasons (the player's character in both games being god-slaying adventurers with a penchant for helping the needy and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong ). It doesn't have any deeper connection other than simply lampshading both games have similar concepts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    The ascians x (Shortening due to character limit)
    In FF11 you are also called a mortal a bazilion times and then you end up being a god in disguise.
    I do not think what the Ascians believe denies us being anything else.

    And the Asciants wanting to kill us can easily explained by the fact that they may not realize what you are to begin with.
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    But I like the "being an aspect of the 12" theory.

    There was a power working at the calamity that hyadelin did not have.

    Louisoix used the power of the 12 to port the wol 5 years into the future.

    Since their power dissipated, what if a part of it seeped into the wol, making them partly divine?

    The wol is neither evil nor corrupted so having the power of the pure evil zodiark seems to be unlikely.

    A champion of the twelve AND hyadelin, that's where I would bet my money on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz View Post
    But I like the "being an aspect of the 12" theory.

    There was a power working at the calamity that hyadelin did not have.

    Louisoix used the power of the 12 to port the wol 5 years into the future.

    Since their power dissipated, what if a part of it seeped into the wol, making them partly divine?

    The wol is neither evil nor corrupted so having the power of the pure evil zodiark seems to be unlikely.

    A champion of the twelve AND hyadelin, that's where I would bet my money on.
    The main problem with this would be players who start from 2.0 onwards. None of them were transported through time and are just adventurers that end up traveling to the different City State that you choose as your starting city. If there is going to be some kind of god power imbued onto us, it has to happen after 2.0 as well so that new players are also these "gods" while 1.0 characters can have their god powers boosted with the new thing that happens post 2.0.
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