Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Stormbad]

You know, I used to be exactly like the OP in that I put in the effort to ensure I am performing at maximum performance and I expected everyone else to do the same and didn't feel like "carrying" people who I perceived as not putting in their effort.

Until I let my 9 (soon to be 10) year old play with me. For his age, he is doing a bang up job, listening to instructions, understanding mechanics, doing optimal rotations. However, what he lacks is just "experience" or what we most commonly know as "raid awareness." He is already overwhelmed with ensuring he is doing everything right that when something goes wrong, his decision making is not optimal, like what happens when you lose aggro on a mob as a tank? Well, I would consider about 10 variables instantly before deciding what to do (who is the mob going to, how much health remaining on mob, how much health remaining on the one who pulled aggro, how many other mobs am I tanking, what are the mob's mechanics, what are my current mob's mechanics, etc etc etc) and I make the optimal choice based on my awareness of the situation. Unfortunately, my son cannot possibly make the same optimal decision simply because he has not been gaming in general as long as I have.

So now, I go into every DF with this thought. Whenever someone is under performing or is slow or don't hit the optimal rotations or gets hit with AOE, I just think it's possible that person is another 9 year old, having fun in an MMO, trying his best and as long as they don't throw attitude, I'm so very proud of their effort and would be glad to "carry" them and offer them mentorship. I often find people do things when everything goes exactly right but it's when things don't go as planned when the cracks begin to show.

[FunkyBunch]

So now, I go into every DF with this thought. Whenever someone is under performing or is slow or don't hit the optimal rotations or gets hit with AOE, I just think it's possible that person is another 9 year old, having fun in an MMO, trying his best and as long as they don't throw attitude, I'm so very proud of their effort and would be glad to "carry" them and offer them mentorship. I often find people do things when everything goes exactly right but it's when things don't go as planned when the cracks begin to show

Exactly this. I only know how to play BLM, so when I see another BLM I try and help them if they are "underperforming", but I don't get mad at them or the tank.
Usually if I'm pulling hate or something I'll look at the tanks gear and realize I out iLevel them by 40 or more.

I don't think I've ever gotten mad at another player, even when the tank makes me lose my Huton or Enochian because he's taking too long in between pulls.

[Archaell]

I just think it's possible that person is another 9 year old, having fun in an MMO.

This is possible, yet unlikely. There is a reason why the box has age 16+ written on it. By letting your kid to have fun you are basically forcing the other players to babysit it for you. Idk how to feel about that. It's one thing if it is done in the premade group of friends, but I don't think it is a great idea in the group of random people.

But I am up for treating everyone like 9 year kid. If we see that the player is underperforming let's stop and spend half hour teaching them how to improve. It could actually make the player base magically better when all the runs take more than one hour.

[Galgarion]

By breaking limits like only a Warrior of Light can.

I CAN BREAK THOSE LIMITS TOO!

*Strains enormously. Pulls something. Sits down to cry.

I didn't break them. Now I'm sad!

The human condition.

[Letbluevannback]

While I have found myself occasionally sharing the OP's frustration (as well as occasionally been on the other side of the fence), we must not forget that this is a videogame... It's not a job. You are not paying other players with your subscription, and no one is paying you to do your 110%. People simply play the way they enjoy it. If you like to go all-out with your "potential", by all means do. But there will be people who don't like to cast Stone as healers, and people who don't like to keep Heavy Thrust up. It's as simple as that, and no one should be "punished" for it.

If you don't like how your party members are performing, just Leave the duty. Personally, unless they're causing wipes, I just ignore them and don't let it get to me. Maybe I'll vent/joke about it in my FC chat, and that'll be enough to exhaust my frustration.

[LalafellDown]

Played all roles while leveling to 60s. Tanks that out geared me would loose aggro to the party, some listened to advice and adjusted some took it as offense. DPS at 60 cant hit 300 in a lvl 60 dungeon.

Healers that just stand around or non stop heal me at 99% HP, I just start pulling more adds and turning of Grit. It works because now we have extra DPS coming from me and the healer is having fun healing me.

[Stormbad]

This is possible, yet unlikely. There is a reason why the box has age 16+ written on it. By letting your kid to have fun you are basically forcing the other players to babysit it for you. Idk how to feel about that. It's one thing if it is done in the premade group of friends, but I don't think it is a great idea in the group of random people.

I understand where you're coming from. I just want to make some clarifications. FFXIV is rated ESRB Teen, which is generally 13 and up. This rating is based on the content of the game (alcohol, sex, etc) and does not reflect the difficulty of the game or online interactions with other people.

With that said, I don't agree that having him play in DF is forcing people to babysit him, that's a far reach. The one time he did DF without me, I watched him go through the dungeon the first time (Brayflox) and he followed everyone's directions just fine with the only flaw going a little slower because of first time, but even then it clearly showed he was a sprout and there was a first time bonus.

[Canadane]

I understand where you're coming from. I just want to make some clarifications. FFXIV is rated ESRB Teen, which is generally 13 and up.

It's also rated PEGI 16.
You can slap a number on anything but I think the majority of players are older, rather than younger.

[vp_cmc]

Until I let my 9 (soon to be 10) year old play with me.

1. This game is ranked as 16+
2. This is an online game, and not everyone (not anyone?) is polite here. So it may have some really bad experience. What if some drunken jerk appears in a same group with your 9 years old?

[Stormbad]

1. This game is ranked as 16+
2. This is an online game, and not everyone (not anyone?) is polite here. So it may have some really bad experience. What if some drunken jerk appears in a same group with your 9 years old?

What does this have anything to do with the topic? And to answer your second question, he'll do exactly what he'll do in real life when some drunken jerk is near him.