Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Khemorex]

/yawn, /first world problems

/leaves thread :P

[reiichi]

The only way SE could kinda address this is by making the solo quests more difficult. But even then, maybe someone is capable of being aptly competent DPS but can't heal or tank for shit, and the whole problem would cycle through again. Just like how in 3.0, there was a huge surge of DRKs who didn't understand tanking because they assumed it'd be a DPS class.

[Kewitt]

Sadly you forget this is a game for a lot of people not a way of life.

game
1.
an amusement or pastime
3.
a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement.


Now skill is different level.
You don't require skill to be amused.


You can't demand people care or try there hardest when you play with people that have no interest in savage content.



Think of it like this.
k-12(dungeons) doesn't really teach you anything you need as an adult( beyond basic math and reading by grade 3) but it does teach you how to learn. And while there are some really dump people out there.
Collage and university(raiding) is where really skill comes in.

[birdy_reene]

I would like to ask you..how many of your friends have you carried for them to pass any given situation Under the cover ...they are your friends ?

-snip-.

On Zalera we do this to our friends too. We tell them to Gitgud, We set up learning parties for them, but we will not help them farm till they step up and do their job. I on the other hand only once in a blue moon truly carry friends thru content. Cause I HATE Laziness, and that was when my friend was diagnosed with cancer and was real down and not playing up to par so I tried to cheer him up. If anything to me, being a friend, and being lazy about playing up to par; is worse than if its a random from duty finder.

[Neophyte]

Sadly you forget this is a game for a lot of people not a way of life.

game
1.
an amusement or pastime
3.
a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement.

So is soccer.
I don't want to play soccer with someone just standing there or just kicking the ball out of the field on purpose or picking the ball up and crying 'Let me play how I want'.

So is Monopoly.
I don't want to play with someone who doesn't care at all about the game, looking all the time on their phone and after 3 times pointing out that he has to roll the dice, he's just saying 'Oh, my turn again?'

So is Hide&Seek.
I don't want to play that with someone not even trying to hide/seek.


tl.dr: Games have rules and sometimes roles, which have to be adopted and fulfilled by someone, else the game won't work as intended.

[Garotte14]

I don't think any of you are actually getting the OPs point. He's not talking about people who are attempting to do their job but just aren't very good. Those people could be giving it their 100%. I think this is more for the people who personally do nothing because they are lazy. Just last night, I was in Weeping City. Our tank was literally just standing their Autoattacking and not moving for AoEs. To me, this means he's just afk looking for a carry. This playstyle isn't punished. I see it all the time and it's flat out unnacceptable.

[Cakekizyy]

So is soccer.
I don't want to play soccer with someone just standing there or just kicking the ball out of the field on purpose or picking the ball up and crying 'Let me play how I want'.

So is Monopoly.
I don't want to play with someone who doesn't care at all about the game, looking all the time on their phone and after 3 times pointing out that he has to roll the dice, he's just saying 'Oh, my turn again?'

So is Hide&Seek.
I don't want to play that with someone not even trying to hide/seek.

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

[Kitano123]

I don't think any of you are actually getting the OPs point. He's not talking about people who are attempting to do their job but just aren't very good. Those people could be giving it their 100%. I think this is more for the people who personally do nothing because they are lazy. Just last night, I was in Weeping City. Our tank was literally just standing their Autoattacking and not moving for AoEs. To me, this means he's just afk looking for a carry. This playstyle isn't punished. I see it all the time and it's flat out unnacceptable.

Sadly i think most people realize this, but that doesn't stop them from finding a straw-man to rage at.

[Neophyte]

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

If he's bad beyond repair, i can also kick him.
He can also make a pf for his demands.

Also, who's saying I'm only talking about df?

[Archaell]

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

Not even PF is free of "carry me while I watch TV" players. We don't have some server wide black lists to reinforce that or something.

This is the issue tho. Who decided that DF is supposed to be trash? It could have been easily the "competitive" serious mode while PF staying the training or lazy mode. Hence why I think that one DF Q is not good enough and that it should be split up into fast-and-serious and slow-and-easy streams. Right now the more serious players are getting the short end of the stick.