Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Coratanni]

I leveled BLM to 60 then ditched all caster gear once that and smnr was finished. I didnt fully understand the advanced abilities, and didnt care to learn as I was never going to play it again anyway. I did make sure to not be a burden on others though and 'be carried'. I stayed out of the post 50 dungeons and burst leveled to 60 in a couple of days through fates.

As long as we're able to clear the content in duty find I don't get too upset honestly. Outside of someone being an azz and sitting to the side making everyone else do 100% of the work. As long as people put effort in for the higher level stuff and try and learn their primary classes, then it's all good. At least figure out the ones you plan on playing the most. That's all I ask.

I've just accepted some groups will be good, and some will need help. You want perfect runs? You will absolutely need to run a static. Duty find is a true roulette. Not only of what content you get, but the quality of players.

[Frederick22]

Im done, I'm done I'm done. Despite im super nice and calm, just saing 1 word that can put their "knowledge" into question, people tend to explote and starting to behave like inmature kids. Calling me elitist or condence. I give up, I really lost my patience today and im gonna keep my mouth close forever.

xD

[Cakekizyy]

Im done, I'm done I'm done. Despite im super nice and calm, just saing 1 word that can put their "knowledge" into question, people tend to explote and starting to behave like inmature kids. Calling me elitist or condence. I give up, I really lost my patience today and im gonna keep my mouth close forever.

xD

Unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice. Easy solution is don't give unless it is asked for.

[seraseth]

Unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice. Easy solution is don't give unless it is asked for.

I think at least a part of this is the block on sending tells in dungeons. When you try to give someone advice in a dungeon, you're publicly announcing their flaws/failings in front of an audience. I think a lot more people would be more receptive and less defensive if you could politely send them a private message.

If a guy standing next to you leans over and whispers 'hey, you have something in your teeth', you might be a little embarrassed but likely a little grateful for pointing out the problem to you, so you can fix it.

A guy across the room points and yells out across the gathering 'hey budy, you have something in your teeth', I don't see it receiving a warm reception.

I think whatever harassment they think is going to occur if you can send a tell would be outweighed by being able to discreetly assist someone who's struggling.

[RiceisNice]

Unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice. Easy solution is don't give unless it is asked for.

That's not really a good attitude to have in a group content though, especially when your performance is at the detriment of the party.

[MaeIsMean]

(though I would question your priorities if you have a 200 weapon and full 220 gear)

Why, exactly? Just curious because I only have the 200 weapon on my 60s, because more than that seemed like more work than it's worth for me, who doesn't generally try to do anything beyond basic duty roulettes.

[Eldevern]

All this make me think about two things :
people imagine there is a common sense, I friendly suggest to think about politics (generally, with your own point of view), are you sure you still think common sense exists?

More seriously, coming from the Bêta (2.0) one thing I could complain about : levelling is fast AND synchronization is pretty too friendly. That's nice for fast run/farm but to learn mechanics, it is bad.

I see it with my rerolls (mean 3rd 4th jobs etc.), we progress fast in levelling but finally get poor experience. We end to learn when we are 60 and full geared. In the opposite, people who are used to play HL sometimes -often- forgot in low level dungeons we don't always have the skills requiered to properly fast runs (and mobs cannot be packed such way, you loose agro as tank, they don't follow you). I sometimes meet tanks who imagine because we have a HL (or look so) character, we are used to fast run... there is nothing more false : each players have their own pace and gaming time. If I play with my alt who is heal, it is really rare I play with, I'm not used at all with fast run. They also imagine we are used to farm and to farm the way they do... but we can have never done so.

Same goes with raid or dungeon without beginner warning. You can do your second run. It is far from farm knowledge of a content.

I understand what most people here say about bad players but... you look like forgetting this a little anyway, too. Please never imagine your way of playing is the same for every players.

[Reinha]

I think at least a part of this is the block on sending tells in dungeons. When you try to give someone advice in a dungeon, you're publicly announcing their flaws/failings in front of an audience. I think a lot more people would be more receptive and less defensive if you could politely send them a private message.

Coupled with the ability to blacklist individuals cross-realm and within a dungeon, this could be a step to improve DF. People probably don't want to end up in a situation where someone is spewing abuse, you can't kick them, you can't leave (in combat) and you can't stop them from sending /tells.

Im done, I'm done I'm done. Despite im super nice and calm, just saing 1 word that can put their "knowledge" into question, people tend to explote and starting to behave like inmature kids. Calling me elitist or condence. I give up, I really lost my patience today and im gonna keep my mouth close forever.

Don't give up helping people. Separating yourself from the problem doesn't mean the problem goes away. Wanting other players to improve but doing nothing to make that happen is kind of like wanting to get through content but refusing to be open for improvement. Like two sides of a coin. We get people asking for more and more tutorials and training grounds and content gates and more punishing mechanics early on, like it's everyone else's and the "system's" fault that people don't learn. Just like we get people asking for nerfs and sneaking into farm groups as if it's other people and the "system" stopping them from progressing. I say it's up to each and every person to make the change happen, despite the bad apples and people beyond help which can indeed discourage us to do so. JP doesn't need their game and SE to be holding their hand, governing and controlling for a healthy community, so why should we?

[Mattelot]

this question would be more so aimed at Mattelot, is it "elitist" for me to want someone to have at least basic understanding of how their character works, even when the rudest thing I did that whole dungeon run was contemplate trying to vote kick them?

You can want that all you want. We would all love a perfect world. Nobody ever said it was Elitist to offer advice. Being rude and condescending is, amongst other things.

My 11 year old plays some video games. He's played on my WoW account back in the day when he saw me play and said "that looks cool, can I try?" He wasn't very good, but he was having fun. Watching him from a steam on my TV, I saw someone trying to give him advice. They were not rude at first but when he didn't reply, he was called a few nasty names. Is it possible that the Blm in question was young and not skilled enough to type and play? Is it possible that the person was just not a very good video game player? Maybe the person was the Ast's significant other who isn't a typical gamer.

That's not really a good attitude to have in a group content though, especially when your performance is at the detriment of the party.

Maybe in your opinion. It's been noted that the majority of "advice" people in this game give is more often than not very rude. I don't blame people for ignoring it.

Also, it's been noted that if you want someone playing how you want, make a static. Putting forth a bunch of effort to a random guy you'll likely never run into again can be a waste.

If they were a tank or healer without the basic of their class, with no response when asked, i'm pretty sure not many will have 2nd thought before clicking the vote kick button. So, why it's be a different in this case, just because the healer/tank and the other dps can carry the last dps? It's a low level dungeon so it might not be that much serious, but think about the case it is a much harder dungeon (eg. Vault, Aurum Vale, etc.), one dps like that would cause wipe after wipe. I would really consider vote kick:

Some of us play on console and it's not easy (in before "its super easy for me!") to type out explanations on the fly, especially when the other people just want to get things going. Also, we don't owe anyone an explanation. I know it sounds crude, but you're just another random person on the internet.

I've only ever seen kicks in parties for people who DC. Never once has anyone in any party I've been in kicked someone for being bad. People have left because someone was bad. To me, it does sound like Vote Kick abuse. Also, a side note, you don't carry people in DF. That's just something elitists like to think they're doing. The content is designed around minimal effort.

[PeachPapaya]

One argument that can be made is that time is money and since ff14 uses a subscription service that notion much more apprently. By extending the time to beat dungeons because of poor play is therefore wasting said person's money. Of course a counter argument can be made that regimenting your entertainment somehow destroys the purpose of having fun.

Now i've little of this game only around 80 hours I am as much of a noob as it gets. But I've played a bevy of other multiplayer game, putting thousands of hours just into TF2 and if there is something I learned it is that, you don't go into a pub and expect everyone to know the Meta from everybody, which is not true, you can assume that from people, everyone starts somewhere and learns. Now you could do two things, you could teach people the meta or stop playing the pub and begin queuing up with friends or people who have the same mindset as you.

The term Solo Queue Dream is such a goddamn meme, because it's stupid to expect anything from a pub. I mean you guys have parties you should use them, get some friends. One argument could be made that you do not necessarily have to make friends, and while that is very much true, you also don't have to play an MMO. I argue that one of the core aspects of an MMO is it's social functionality, especially an MMORPG, without it we would just have regular RPG. In which case you got over like 50 billion FF games to choose from