Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Mahri]

A system like that will never happen, because SE isn't full of idiots.

If you want an MMO that caters to "elite" players, there's Wildstar. At least, I think there's Wildstar. For all I know it's been shut down by now. Early on it set out to be an MMO for elitist grognards and that was as spectacular a failure as you could possibly imagine. It's since gone free-to-play and remains a fraction-of-a-digit percentile of earnings NCSoft takes in quarterly.

[Mahri]

You think I'm joking but I've made a note of your name. Made a mnemonic even. "Mattelot not dps a lot" so it's easy to remember.

Try not to hurt your finger spam-clicking vote dismiss when he shows up in your next Dusk Vigil.

[Rytank]

Whoa buddy i'm sorry, I'm not trying to promote discrimination/abuse either, my bad if it came off that way. I just think that the good (caring) players would outnumber the abusers n the rating would just show your attitude more, like if I was rating people at the exit of an instance, not clear..exit. I would base it off their effort or attitude more than skill. I personally don't care how fast I complete stuff, I just enjoy a positive group, thats courteous n I would rate based on that, n I believe a lot of us would do the same. Why.. because I only run into 1 jerk every once in awhile, as opposed to the many helpful friendly players. N as far as people changing thier past, then thier rating would go up over time. Either way was just snowballing an idea, im no genius or game designer, so i don't know whats best, but i always believe it could be better then it is.

[Mahri]

... Either way was just snowballing an idea, im no genius or game designer, so i don't know whats best, but i always believe it could be better then it is.

So the trouble here is that, sadly, players online, in a state of anonymity, can be spiteful jerks. An ability to "rate" players, even if over a vast period of time trended towards pointing out the truly positive ones, would be abused. Worse, it would put players themselves into a position where they were actively jockeying for review metrics rather than doing what they most likely came here to do, which is have fun.

Have you ever worked in customer service? Lots of times, an employee's standing would be affected by the "rating" that customers would give them at the closing of a case. I can think of nothing more intensely frustrating than finding oneself at the whims of a similar system when trying to enjoy playing a video game.

The commendation system, as-is, is about as hands on as a system for players to rate one another should ever get. It's a voluntary point that gets seen only by the receiving player and can only be rewarding if accumulated.

[Kaeoni]

Whoa ... Ect

I don't mean to come off scathing. So I apologize If it came off like that, it's never my intention. I'm just really really against systems that have the potential for abuse. So I like the idea of changing peoples mentalities towards playing a bit better cuz you get like.. a mount, minion or costume out of it. Incentivize it with cool stuff, everyone wins. You know... Stuff you can't get elsewhere that FF fans would love; Like... maybe you get something cool... an Item to activate a Special Fate in the desert to fight Giant Cactuar for a cactuar costume. That would be sick.

I'm fundamentally an optimist like you. But sometimes a red flag goes up for potential abuse is all. I know for a fact I'd get rated down in some groups for DPSing as Sch. And other such choices I make on other classes that I know I can do. It's all subjective. Maybe a healer wants to go slow, But as Tank, I gotta go fast! and they don't like it... Which Isn't necessarily their right to write up my report card based off 30 mins of game-play. I get someone could recover their Rated score over time. But if people refuse to play with them because they've been 1 Star'd then that's alienation for no reason. And imo an un-necessarily long punishment/journey to recover from for a video game.

I was the worst tank at one time. This game is very different from tanking in ffxi. I still remember my first Amdapor keep... I fear the yelp reviews on that performance... Pretty sure Id have been banished from the server.. haha.
On Sch I also didn't dps in the beginning. I was just bad. I wasn't ready. Not experienced enough. That doesn't make me a bad person or unfit to play this game. We're all learning, and when our interactions with other people due to how Duty Finder is setup, is so short; I don't believe people deserve the right to do more than kick that person from the group for being truly unproductive. there's just too many factors and I want to give those people a benefit of a doubt. And in the end, I don't want to feel like I made some random dude i'll never meet across the country mad or upset.. regardless of my rationalization for it. It's a human being, not just Data. It's not good for my mind-set or theirs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe people should carry people, not only because it's stressful for the rest of the group. But because I want the person slacking to get the full experience and have fun pressing buttons with me.
The game is setup to prevent these types of people form getting into the content that it's worth complaining about this stuff for for the most part. I honestly believe vote kicking is good enough if it really has to come to that.

So the trouble here is that... (snip)

Pretty much nailed it.

I mean, look at youtube comments. What video? Pick one.... =(

[Archaell]

So the trouble here is that...

So the good news is, awesomely, that the system could be automatic. The game could rate the players and match them up with other players who perform at the same level. The rating could stay hidden. Completely abuse free and quite lovely.

That could work for the Raid/Duty Finder.

Tho our main concern should be with the Party Finder. In that case player feedback could be useful. I don't believe the players should enjoy their sweet anonymity without accountability. For past weeks I have been doing Nidhogg Ex runs a lot, mostly joining clear/training groups instead of farms to help, and there are way too many players who are not following the PF comments which is damaging to the PF community. Stars would not be good enough alone in my opinion to fix it.

On the other hand the lodestone could be a great place to post player reviews. The teachers at universities are being rated by students, I don't see any reason why couldn't the players be rated by players as well. To make it fair allow even the reviews to be rated by others. With the size of the player base the players should have a chance to know with whom they are playing before they get a chance to ruin their party. Of course this could create a little bit of toxicity but overall the PF would be more healthy and effective than it is.

[Genaxx]

Perhaps if the content wasnt faceroll easy people couldn't be lazy. Take Ozma as an example, and I don't mean make all content savage difficulty.

[Taiine]

I can tell you a horror story. Had a tank on my expert the other day that didn't like me not being in 220+ gear in every slot. (218 nin, 225 drk, casual player, felt like dpsing for a change) they started accusing me of 'refusing to gear up' (apparently running my roulettes for lores is 'refusing to gear up') and 'wanting to be carried'. Then saying how they would run out of cd's and die because my dps would be to 'low'. They than sat at the start and refused to move, demanding we 'get the ___ out' and threatened to kick us if we didn't.. willing to wait the 15 timer to do so.

Tank's need to get off their high horse. People may be casual players, people may have just hit 60 and are working on gearing. Or lving/gearing a new class, or running something for the first time. Or returning after a long time away and need to get back into the swing of things. Or maybe they just want to take it easy that run. Not everyone has to be 100% dead on in what there doing.

[NovaLevossida]

I can tell you a horror story. Had a tank on my expert the other day that didn't like me not being in 220+ gear in every slot. (218 nin, 225 drk, casual player, felt like dpsing for a change) they started accusing me of 'refusing to gear up' (apparently running my roulettes for lores is 'refusing to gear up') and 'wanting to be carried'. Then saying how they would run out of cd's and die because my dps would be to 'low'. They than sat at the start and refused to move, demanding we 'get the ___ out' and threatened to kick us if we didn't.. willing to wait the 15 timer to do so.

Tank's need to get off their high horse. People may be casual players, people may have just hit 60 and are working on gearing. Or lving/gearing a new class, or running something for the first time. Or returning after a long time away and need to get back into the swing of things. Or maybe they just want to take it easy that run. Not everyone has to be 100% dead on in what there doing.

Expert roulette is serious difficulty content, didn't you know?

Submit a harassment report next time. That's ridiculous.

[Alistaire]

Yeah that's ridiculous. And if you were aoe'ing properly with Death Blossom on 4+ mob pulls even despite your ilvl you'd be better than most nins I see in df even around the i235 ish range.