Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Neophyte]

Sadly you forget this is a game for a lot of people not a way of life.

game
1.
an amusement or pastime
3.
a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement.

So is soccer.
I don't want to play soccer with someone just standing there or just kicking the ball out of the field on purpose or picking the ball up and crying 'Let me play how I want'.

So is Monopoly.
I don't want to play with someone who doesn't care at all about the game, looking all the time on their phone and after 3 times pointing out that he has to roll the dice, he's just saying 'Oh, my turn again?'

So is Hide&Seek.
I don't want to play that with someone not even trying to hide/seek.


tl.dr: Games have rules and sometimes roles, which have to be adopted and fulfilled by someone, else the game won't work as intended.

[Cakekizyy]

So is soccer.
I don't want to play soccer with someone just standing there or just kicking the ball out of the field on purpose or picking the ball up and crying 'Let me play how I want'.

So is Monopoly.
I don't want to play with someone who doesn't care at all about the game, looking all the time on their phone and after 3 times pointing out that he has to roll the dice, he's just saying 'Oh, my turn again?'

So is Hide&Seek.
I don't want to play that with someone not even trying to hide/seek.

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

[Neophyte]

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

If he's bad beyond repair, i can also kick him.
He can also make a pf for his demands.

Also, who's saying I'm only talking about df?

[Archaell]

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

Not even PF is free of "carry me while I watch TV" players. We don't have some server wide black lists to reinforce that or something.

This is the issue tho. Who decided that DF is supposed to be trash? It could have been easily the "competitive" serious mode while PF staying the training or lazy mode. Hence why I think that one DF Q is not good enough and that it should be split up into fast-and-serious and slow-and-easy streams. Right now the more serious players are getting the short end of the stick.

[Chirol86]

Then you play with a competitive group. I.E. PF.

If I have to start PFing in order to expect the absolute average out of people's jobs, what does that say about the community?
A few examples: Bards not using Foe's, Melees not AoEing, tanks not popping cooldowns, DRKs who don't Darkside, healers panic and heal the tank the moment they take damage in situations where it's 100% fine for them to DPS, WHMs who use Cure III on single target, Eos on Sic, etc. I don't mention things to anyone anymore (unless I'm mentor rouletting) simply because it's not worth the hassle, but as a result, things like this is the norm. I don't expect people to be savage level in anything that isn't savage, but I expect them to at least try. I'm tired of seeing people not even attempt their 3.0 rotations in boss fights and just be lazy.
Why is expecting people to apply minimum effort such a bad concept?

[Kewitt]

So is soccer.
I don't want to play soccer with someone just standing there or just kicking the ball out of the field on purpose or picking the ball up and crying 'Let me play how I want'.

So is Monopoly.
I don't want to play with someone who doesn't care at all about the game, looking all the time on their phone and after 3 times pointing out that he has to roll the dice, he's just saying 'Oh, my turn again?'

So is Hide&Seek.
I don't want to play that with someone not even trying to hide/seek.


tl.dr: Games have rules and sometimes roles, which have to be adopted and fulfilled by someone, else the game won't work as intended.

Yes and in all of these things you can walk away and say your playing dumb I'm not going to play with you any more. If someone is being dumb quit the duty and find new people to play with. It's your issue with them not there issue with you.

[Neophyte]

Yes and in all of these things you can walk away and say your playing dumb I'm not going to play with you any more. If someone is being dumb quit the duty and find new people to play with. It's your issue with them not there issue with you.

So if you're playing a game with some people and then someone joins and is acting/playing like a 2-year-old, not following rules and telling you "I play how I want!", you pass him the dices and just leave? Wow.