Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Sipherous]

I'm a Tank and I play my role at 110% I do roulette's mentor roulette's trials and have cleared my end game content. However I've been coming across a huge issue in the game that can't be addressed in any way.

It revolves around players who barely play their class to any form of potential refusing to take advice and forcing the community to carry them through Duty Finder dungeons. This is extremely apparent in some 4-man and especially in 24-man content. Now not everyone plays to the maximum potential, some don't have the mental capacity/motor-skills or reflexes to mange all their dots, skills and abilities. Some is gear but its a small majority. I see it often where a player who thinks they can get away with a carry will.

I've attempted to tell people to pick it up when I know things should be going different or skill that should be on the boss aren't. I know when a healer is neglecting their role. I know when a Tank ends up screwing up. The issue comes when its a persitant thing. There is no way to punish players for their poor play-style, vote-kick doesnt work cause they can just re-enter without penalty or they are with friends who have similar mindsets or dont mind carrying. Where as someone who leves the instance due to not wanting to carry poor players is given a penalty.

I hate carrying people who won't preform. It seems unfair to myself and everyone else who puts the effort to maximize their play time by carrying someone who refuses to put in the effort to be penalized for it. It's even ahrder to pinpoint if DPS are really bad, botting or just not carrying other than to see how fast something should be dying. A system needs to be in place that penalizes poor play despite how damning it would be to some players. Agree if you want or not but I know their are many who have been in a group where that one or two players just aren't doing what is needed and then punished for it.

Lets ignore the run with friends arguement, as it stands your friends are always available. Times do not always match up. We have lives and dont always have the ability to play together.

[Mahri]

It's never not going to happen.

Just let it roll off your back. You might perceive laziness or negligence, but the truth is that you don't know what's actually happening on the other side of their keyboard.

It's enough that you take your own role seriously; this is a positive trait that will always work in your favor. However, it's just not worth getting bent out of shape because someone else is dragging their feet. You can't control it, so just go zen mode. Not every dungeon run is perfect, nor does it need to be.

[Confidence_Trick]

It's true, you're the best.

[Werhusky]

Math tells me 100% is maximum how can you give always 110%?

[Laerune]

I have to agree with OP that there is a big group of players who do not want to pull their own weight, sometimes those players dont do it, because its easy for other players to carry them. I was doing a trial this morning and as a healer, I am used to doing damage and healing. I dont mind, if a healer is doing damage or not, but they should atleast be able to do their own role which is to heal. I was in this trial and this boss has phase where he only does damage to the tank, so I pop a regen and go back in Cleric Stance and help the team with doing damage. I keep a eye on my co-healer and see that he is not in Cleric Stance, which to me means that he will not do damage. Boss damages tank and the tank reaches 70% HP, I think to myself that the healer will probably heal the tank when his HP is much lower. Tank HP reach 50%, I start to get worried, Tank HP reaches 30%, I get out of Cleric Stance and heal the tank. My co-healer was doing nothing during that phase, only looking at the boss. This has happend many times when healing with a non FC/LS/friend co-healer.

No matter what, a player should atleast be able to do the basic stuff, which means for healer to heal, for tank to keep agro and for dps to do damage and right now alot of players are failling this. This would not have been a issue if they were newcomers, but we are talking about level 60 players with ilevel 230-240 gear.

There is a difference between being bad and not caring. From what I have experienced, most players are not bad at this game, they just dont care.

[TankHunter678]

Math tells me 100% is maximum how can you give always 110%?

By breaking limits like only a Warrior of Light can.

[MeiUshu]

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Lets ignore the run with friends arguement, as it stands your friends are always available. Times do not always match up. We have lives and dont always have the ability to play together.

I would like to ask you..how many of your friends have you carried for them to pass any given situation Under the cover ...they are your friends ?

I know already the answer I just want to say this...careful..if you ask of a category to do something you have to be equally angry at your friends for not doing it ...many of those look for free carry (called help) to pass stuff they dont have the ability to pass and so many of equally friends rush to make sure they pass it even if they dont give their 100 % ius not important they are friends right ?

Careful the line between being genuine and an hypocrite in this case is extremely thin.

[Sipherous]

Playing a role beyond 100% is called maximizing. A 100% tank is in tank stance holding hate effectively and not letting mobs wander, a 110% tank would be a tank holding hate and doing more DMG than most people would think possible and making it easier on everyone else to clear through trash. Same goes for a healer who can heal DPS and do mroe DPS. A DPS just has to push big numbers all the time. Really if we were to go by a standard if a dungeon par time is say 20min a 110% team can push it in 15, 12 even 10 min if they know their roles.

[Xlantaa]

It is not lazyness (of course, some can be) but majority is simply they have not that capacity to play videogames as others. A lot of people havea mess when they have to manage 30+ skills in a fight while avoid AoE and do mechanics. You cannot demand such thing to the players. You can see a player low performing, but you have no way to know if they are struggle to play better, or maybe hethinks is performing well or simply is doing 1,2,3 for lazyness. As long the duty is complete, no matter how long take. I know you're refering specifically to the true lazy ones, but It is better do not to judge this because you probably will be harrassing a innocent player who simply does know that he can perfrom better or simply can't.

[Sipherous]

I would like to ask you..how many of your friends have you carried for them to pass any given situation Under the cover ...they are your friends ?

I know already the answer I just want to say this...careful..if you ask of a category to do something you have to be equally angry at your friends for not doing it ...many of those look for free carry (called help) to pass stuff they dont have the ability to pass and so many of equally friends rush to make sure they pass it even if they dont give their 100 % ius not important they are friends right ?

Careful the line between being genuine and an hypocrite in this case is extremely thin.

Honestly my group of friends is not all that large and if they are doing something wrong or not pulling the weight I definitely make note of it and tell them how to improve. I also do not carry my friends. Its one of the reasons I don't do content sales, I refuse to give those who would lazy their way through to get stuff regardless how much they pay me. I wont bring someone into something if they refuse to learn content or work to improve. Teaching someone something and carrying them are very different mindsets.