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  1. #41
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    Sandamar's Avatar
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    Sandamar Delys
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    PLD can deal decent dps since 3.2 now and in my opinion it's far from being the best at mitigation, i would trade the defensive magic CD of drk anyday since a good portion of tank buster are magical, like A8S it's cool to sheltron the double rocket punch but i think it's even cooler to mitigate 30% of the single or double flamethrower you'll take.

    Not to mention that hallowed ground activation is meh compared to living dead or holmgang.
    Dps wise paladin is just fine as long as you don't shield oath 24/7. You just have to git gud i would say.
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  2. #42
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    Malicewolf's Avatar
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    Fohl Hakuko
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Woah, meow. I was just counting the number of cooldowns! But yeah, WAR wins. Too bad everybody wants them on the boss' ass :P
    But all dem deepss! (and let's not forget to mention that a WAR's hp completely overshadows any other tank with defiance on)
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  3. #43
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    Brown Sugar
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    Adamantoise
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    Monk Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by Malicewolf View Post
    But all dem deepss! (and let's not forget to mention that a WAR's hp completely overshadows any other tank with defiance on)
    All 3 tanks die in the same number of hits while in tank stance though.
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  4. #44
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    Shiva
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Hmmm... I'll count them real quick. Cross Class Cooldowns will be bolded.

    PLD: Rampart, Convalescence, Awareness, Sentinel, Foresight, Sheltron, Bulwark

    WAR: Foresight, Awareness, Convalescense, Thrill of Battle, Vengeance, Raw Intuition, Inner Beast

    DRK: Shadowskin, Foresight, Awareness, Convalescense, Shadow Wall, Dark Dance, Dark Mind

    Looks like each job has access to seven. Eight if you wish to count Bloodbath. Figure we probably could if we're counting Convalescence.
    I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense) either not to mention that Clemency is a defensiv skill too if you know how to use it right and in combination with Divine Veil.

    If you ignore 3 useful skills for you and your party you are totaly right and you obviously don't know how to play your paladin.
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    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Seku Halvone
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense) either not to mention that Clemency is a defensiv skill too if you know how to use it right and in combination with Divine Veil.

    If you ignore 3 useful skills for you and your party you are totaly right and you obviously don't know how to play your paladin.
    Because their not defensive cool downs and are the utility of the PLD. Also Clemency is trash until it doesn't kill the combo rotation you're in and shield blocks prevent casting interruption or the spell is made into an instant cast. Until then you're more than likely over healing in any decent group and killing your DPS, or taking the chance you're slightly off on your timing, eat a tank buster to the face get interrupted and yet again, killed your DPS.
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    Last edited by Seku; 07-05-2016 at 11:43 AM.

  6. #46
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Moogle
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense)...
    DV does nothing for PLD's own mitigation. It's raid utility, like Path, or Reprisal although generally worse.

    Cover does nothing for mitigation besides redirect. It's at best a hate control tool, not mitigation.
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  7. #47
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    Shiva
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Sure guys its no mitigation and no defensive CD. You made my day seriously.

    But its fine, play your tanks how you want to play it without use everything they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
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  8. #48
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    Fohl Hakuko
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Sure guys its no mitigation and no defensive CD. You made my day seriously.

    But its fine, play your tanks how you want to play it without use everything they have.
    The discussion going on right now about the defensive CD's are relating to those that assist the tank himself in terms of surviving. Both Cover and Divine Veil are CD's that allow the player to save other's but does absolutely nothing to save themselves. They are both great tool-sets if used correctly and I doubt anyone here would argue with that, but they do not help keep the PLD alive. They help keep those who mess up around the PLD alive...

    So they are not defensive CD's in terms of how we are comparing tanks here. They are defensive in terms of providing defense in general. But I think most would categorize it as support, not defense.
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  9. #49
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    Hammerhorn Oathsworn
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Dps clears content, PLD is behind , let us be #1 single target dps tank - ALL HAIL HALONE
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  10. #50
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    Seku Halvone
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    But its fine, play your tanks how you want to play it without use everything they have.
    That's funny coming from the person who thinks PLD has the most defensive cool downs and knows nothing of the other tanks. You must be trolling. But good day
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