PLD highest DPS tank single target

[Ragology]

But all dem deepss! (and let's not forget to mention that a WAR's hp completely overshadows any other tank with defiance on)

All 3 tanks die in the same number of hits while in tank stance though.

[Ilan]

Hmmm... I'll count them real quick. Cross Class Cooldowns will be bolded.

PLD: Rampart, Convalescence, Awareness, Sentinel, Foresight, Sheltron, Bulwark

WAR: Foresight, Awareness, Convalescense, Thrill of Battle, Vengeance, Raw Intuition, Inner Beast

DRK: Shadowskin, Foresight, Awareness, Convalescense, Shadow Wall, Dark Dance, Dark Mind

Looks like each job has access to seven. Eight if you wish to count Bloodbath. Figure we probably could if we're counting Convalescence.

I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense) either not to mention that Clemency is a defensiv skill too if you know how to use it right and in combination with Divine Veil.

If you ignore 3 useful skills for you and your party you are totaly right and you obviously don't know how to play your paladin.

[Seku]

I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense) either not to mention that Clemency is a defensiv skill too if you know how to use it right and in combination with Divine Veil.

If you ignore 3 useful skills for you and your party you are totaly right and you obviously don't know how to play your paladin.

Because their not defensive cool downs and are the utility of the PLD. Also Clemency is trash until it doesn't kill the combo rotation you're in and shield blocks prevent casting interruption or the spell is made into an instant cast. Until then you're more than likely over healing in any decent group and killing your DPS, or taking the chance you're slightly off on your timing, eat a tank buster to the face get interrupted and yet again, killed your DPS.

[Kitfox]

I see, you don't count Divine Veil in it even if it is a defensive cooldown (if you don't know how to use it right learn it) and Cover isn't a defensive cooldown (even if it is not for your defense)...

DV does nothing for PLD's own mitigation. It's raid utility, like Path, or Reprisal although generally worse.

Cover does nothing for mitigation besides redirect. It's at best a hate control tool, not mitigation.

[Warkupo]

DV does nothing for PLD's own mitigation. It's raid utility, like Path, or Reprisal although generally worse.

Cover does nothing for mitigation besides redirect. It's at best a hate control tool, not mitigation.

In a fight where the PLD isn't expecting to tank swap you can buff up, cover the tank, and mitigate damage that he wouldn't normally be mitigating. Or if he's about to die and your healers are struggling/bad you can cover and buy extra time with your shiny body. PLD tends to excel in situations where poop is in the fan or your group just isnt' very coherent or practiced.

[Fernosaur]

If you ignore 3 useful skills for you and your party you are totaly right and you obviously don't know how to play your paladin.

...By that measure, WAR has Storm's Eye, and DRK has Delirium and Reprisal... those serve a similar role to Divine Veil (as does Rage of Halone), except they actually also apply to the tanks that use them, unlike Divine Veil. And they can have a 100% uptime if needed. Delirium is also a lot better than RoH in the party mitigation department because most of the raid-wide attacks are based on INT.

Paladin does have Stoneskin, though. I don't know if you'd count that into your defensive CDs, because as someone said earlier, casting makes you unable to block or parry, and then you can get interrupted, and then it sucks. Though then again, if you're interrupted by a TB while casting Stoneskin you were already too late in casting stoneskin for it to matter, so~

[Malicewolf]

It depends on how you view them. I think many don't consider defensive CD's as those that recover hp. Which is silly...

[Sandamar]

PLD can deal decent dps since 3.2 now and in my opinion it's far from being the best at mitigation, i would trade the defensive magic CD of drk anyday since a good portion of tank buster are magical, like A8S it's cool to sheltron the double rocket punch but i think it's even cooler to mitigate 30% of the single or double flamethrower you'll take.

Not to mention that hallowed ground activation is meh compared to living dead or holmgang.
Dps wise paladin is just fine as long as you don't shield oath 24/7. You just have to git gud i would say.

[Ilan]

Sure guys its no mitigation and no defensive CD. You made my day seriously.

But its fine, play your tanks how you want to play it without use everything they have.

[Malicewolf]

Sure guys its no mitigation and no defensive CD. You made my day seriously.

But its fine, play your tanks how you want to play it without use everything they have.

The discussion going on right now about the defensive CD's are relating to those that assist the tank himself in terms of surviving. Both Cover and Divine Veil are CD's that allow the player to save other's but does absolutely nothing to save themselves. They are both great tool-sets if used correctly and I doubt anyone here would argue with that, but they do not help keep the PLD alive. They help keep those who mess up around the PLD alive...

So they are not defensive CD's in terms of how we are comparing tanks here. They are defensive in terms of providing defense in general. But I think most would categorize it as support, not defense.