Dragoon pet

[Teakwood]

At the risk of being railed on I just wanted to throw my opinion out there. I have stated this in other threads, but I loved the dragoon from XI and would like to see something similar in XIV. I loved my pet wyvern and felt it added to my identity as a dragoon. I also liked the added challenge of trying to keep my pet alive as long as it does not turn into my main focus. That being said, it doesn't have to be exactly the same though. I also like the idea of making it more like Freya from IX.
I can see how balancing it just right might be difficult, but I disagree with those that say it wouldn't work in this game.

Well... I don't think anyone's saying "pet jobs suck and will never work", I know I'm -definitely- looking forward to their availability in FFXIV.

I just don't think Dragoon is the right place to introduce pet job mechanics just because it worked that way in FFXI. It doesn't make sense IC /or/ mechanically.

[SilvertearRen]

At the risk of being railed on I just wanted to throw my opinion out there. I have stated this in other threads, but I loved the dragoon from XI and would like to see something similar in XIV. I loved my pet wyvern and felt it added to my identity as a dragoon. I also liked the added challenge of trying to keep my pet alive as long as it does not turn into my main focus. That being said, it doesn't have to be exactly the same though. I also like the idea of making it more like Freya from IX.
I can see how balancing it just right might be difficult, but I disagree with those that say it wouldn't work in this game.

If you want something similar, then advocate for an "original Dragoon of Final Fantasy" with Drakes and Wyverns being exclusive mounts for the class. That way, Yoshi-P won't have to worry about altering the job to suit the desires of the few.

Um...are my arguments not challenging enough for you, so you decided to argue w/ yourself?

That's what, virtually, everyone's argument in here IS...It "SUCKED" in XI, so it shouldn't be used here w/ XIV. So, it's alright to reference XI as a baseline as long as it's being used to further your own agenda?

What is that called....it's right on the tip of my tongue. Oh ya! It's called being a hypocrite.

And I wasn't even interested in referencing Final Fantasy XI. I want FFXIV to be its own game, not another XI-2. This is the precise reason why I am tired of seeing people try to push the FFXI perspective on XIV.

If there's ever going to be one aspect of FFXI I want carried over to XIV, it'll be the summon system and Garuda. But after seeing the concept art for Garuda in FFXIV, I can safely assume I won't be able to have her at my beck and call at any time. XD

[Dargoth_Draconia]

No thanks to having a pet with Dragoon job. I didn't even like it in FFXI because it really took away from what a Dragoon/Lancer was in previous FF titles.

[AmyRae]

Whoops, which FF was DRG a positional crit-master in? I must have missed that one.

I'm going to go with Kain from Final Fantasy 4, who was a crit-master from the position of...

The sky!

...after dodging a mega-boss's fatal desperation attack that wiped the whole party except for Kain who escaped the whole damn thing. So cool...

What I'm saying is, we need bad-ass dragoons like that again. Wyvern husbandry was nice, and all, but I'm all for going back to the roots. So many Final Fantasy titles have dragoons as a "jumping" job, and with so many great characters in that role (even a Cid, once). Pets were just a gimmick of FFXI, which is fine, but it's a clearly a variation and not the tradition of the role.

If they could implement some amazing, tactical, breathtaking jumps for dragoons, it would be the best thing ever. Far more than any pet would be, at least.

[DonMega]

who cares about the pet, i'd just want that badass looking drg armor.

[Teakwood]

I am -pretty sure- that a significant fraction of my crush on Kain comes from him jumping around like a maniac to avoid terribad AoEs during certain boss fights, yeah. <3

[ApplePie]

Can we /thread this yet? You guys aren't getting a wyvern. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings for saying this. It just won't happen. /thread

[KaynelD]

Curse you all for dragging me into this topic when I should be studying! Ok I need to show some self control and not blame others :-)

If you want something similar, then advocate for an "original Dragoon of Final Fantasy" with Drakes and Wyverns being exclusive mounts for the class. That way, Yoshi-P won't have to worry about altering the job to suit the desires of the few.

I'm not opposed to the idea of a mount rather than a pet as long as it has some depth to it. I loved the quest in XI to attain the DRG job. It added some real lore to the class that sucked me in. If they could pull that off with a mount and have

that badass looking drg armor.

I would be somewhat content.

That being said I still lean toward having the wyvern.

[Anonymoose]

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After putting some thought into it, I think my opinion lies with the anti-pet crowd. Allow me to outline a few points here; I want this to come off less like I'm choosing a side or arguing a point and more like I'm stating, "I think it's in the best interest of FFXIV and the franchise tradition."

I've tried to arrange my points in a hierarchy, where one leads into the other, so that when read as a whole, it becomes clear why pet-less makes more sense.

Quote this everywhere you feel necessary.

• Semantics: A dragoon is, by definition, a battle specialist capable of making war either as infantry or cavalry. This alone does not imply any connotations to dragons at all; simply the ability to fight with a good reach; the term dragoon should only be associated with weapons and battle choices. The power of the Dragoon lies within his spear, not his pet.
• Localization: Dragoon is our name for the job, not the true name of the job. Ryuukishi simply means Dragon Knight; as in the noun Knight (armored solider who serves lord or land in war) modified by the adjective Dragon (of or relating to Dragons. <Herpaderp>) Combine the east and west traditions and you arrive at: An armored solider, skilled in infantry and cavalry, who is of or resembles a dragon. So far, even Ma Chao of Dynasty Warriors fame fits the bill just fine, and he fought solo.
  
  
  
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• Tradition: Though not required by semantic standards, Final Fantasy has tied Dragon Knight to dragons many times in many forms. This was first introduced in Final Fantasy II, where Dragon Knight did indeed fight alongside a wyvern - but before quoting this as evidence, do realize this wyvern was big enough to ride and also acted as the "Cavalry" half of that whole "Dragoon" thing. Using that as evidence to recycle XI's mechanics in XIV is ... flimsy. At best. The rest of the series just has Dragoon maintaining the standard of a lance wielder who can jump really high (or maybe he was pole vaulting the entire time and we never noticed) and often befriends dragons.
• FFXI: Compared to the aforementioned, XI's dragoon was a rogue; a wannabe - An infantry-only dragonslayer (WTF?) who has a change of heart and hangs around with the least intimidating version of a namesake you could ever model your goofy purple armor after. That's like having a Chocobo Knight who spends his life hunting down chocobos until he realizes the error of his ways and begins fighting alongside a chicken. (THAT'S RIGHT, I WENT THERE.)
• Game Mechanic: If LNC gains a pet, he will have to become weaker as a balance. Getting weaker is only acceptable evolution if your goal is to become better at something else (such as healing, buffing, or tanking.) A dragon knight (again, an armored warrior who fights on land and mount; taking on the image and ferocity of a dragon) should never hold the goal of kicking less ass. Ever. Even for an adorable sidekick who does not enhance any of his aforementioned traditional characteristics or even act as his cavalry.
• Lore: Wrap up everything we have so far and Lancer should be evolving from a pole wielding infantryman to a heavily armored multi-faceted ass-kicking machine who looks like a godsdamn dragon. He could fight alone from the back of a chocobo and still fulfill every requirement. His raw power and passion should be so mighty as to impress the dragon-kind. His quests and missions should involve him getting close to, taking flights on, and kicking ass with dragon-kind (and never slaying them. Again, wtf?). The pet is unnecessary and counter-intuitive to the goal.

All in all, I think it's time for Final Fantasy Online's dragoon to learn to stand on his own two feet. The potential for a pet-less DRG is far higher than a pet-DRG, imho. If he jumps, if he masters the spear, if he looks like a dragon and fights like a dragon... he is dragon knight. He is dragoon.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

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This i like, +like.