Dragoon pet

[Tonkra]

Ok so there are alot of posts here an im just skipping to the end.

YES I want a pet Wyvern
NO I don't want to be weakened because of it.
SOLUTION! Give dragoons a self or party buff that WHILE It is in effect has a Pet Wyvern floating alongside you as its visual effect. Something along the lines of...

Wyverns Cunning
Increases Critical Hit Rate, while lowering Defense.
30:00 Duration, :30 Recast

That gives us a nifty little companion, but doesn't need any weakening of the class.

DO people just think the the wyvern damage just doesnt count or something? Yes you are slightly weaker, but the pet makes up for it. And if all you care about is parser #s...well consider adding your pet damage to it and you will be surprised. I just dont get the idea people have in their heads that if they are weaker, then its all hell and they would never think to say "well its my pet so thats also my damage".

really...i dont get it.

I lol'd so much at this post. that is what i am thinking too the whole time ;D

im not wondering why the poll is like this, when reading statements like this of vesper. ;XD

No one truly understands this community lol. The Dragoon would be weaker, but the damage is made up with the wyvern. People see the words "weaker" and say "NO GET WHAT IS CAUSING IT TO BE WEAKER OUT OF HERE" basically. Unless they make heavy modifications to the way critical hits are handled in this game or they just don't care for balance, Dragoon will get nerfed very quickly if it's a critical based job.

Know how Archer got nerfed because of basically bringing about the apocalypse? Yeah, Dragoon will be next in line. In FFXI, the wyvern was literally essential for solo play, because it gained access to restoring and healing breaths, which if it was done by the Dragoon itself, guess what would happen? You not only drop your overall damage in order to use a breath move or restoring ability, you also lay yourself open for attack, whereas if your wyvern did it, you're free to do whatever after a simple cast of dia.

The one thing people still keep forgetting about, is the only reason pet balance is off in MMOs is because of people complaining that they would be overpowered. It's not because they're hard to balance in terms of coding, it's because it's hard to meet a perfect balance that won't cause people to complain.

thumbs up for that.

wow.. there is hope for humanity. pew.
although i almost lost that hope ;D

And because it's so hard to foresee just how balanced a pet job would be, it's more than likely that the developers will err on the side of underpowering Dragoons than be forced to perform a heartbreaking nerf to an overpowered job. It would be just like FFXI all over again with Dragoons struggling for legitimacy from day 1.

you do a logically mistake.... they dont need to underpower anything... the only thing they'll have to change is... to >>>SPLIT<<< the 100% damage (into two) of the drg into the damage the wyvern does and into the damage the drg itself does.. thats all...

100% = 70% drg+30 %wyvern for example.
they "lower" the damage of the drg maybe itself.. but in a TOTAL there is NO DIFFERENCE in damage-

yoshida said somethin about lowering the weapon damage.. yeah but therefore he receives extra pet damage which makes it equal again

[AmyRae]

you do a logically mistake.... they dont need to underpower anything... the only thing they'll have to change is... to >>>SPLIT<<< the 100% damage (into two) of the drg into the damage the wyvern does and into the damage the drg itself does.. thats all...

100% = 70% drg+30 %wyvern for example.
they "lower" the damage of the drg maybe itself.. but in a TOTAL there is NO DIFFERENCE in damage-

You're just so eager to insult me that you didn't bother to read that I covered exactly that. And you'd also notice that I point out the problem with that approach:

Because you ">>>SPLIT<<< the 100% damage (into two)" as you put it, Dragoons are still overpowered because they can spam more damage abilities (because they have 2 enmity "pools" not 1) while other DD jobs have hold themselves back or risk stealing hate.

[Keith_Dragoon]

You're just so eager to insult me that you didn't bother to read that I covered exactly that. And you'd also notice that I point out the problem with that approach:

Because you ">>>SPLIT<<< the 100% damage (into two)" as you put it, Dragoons are still overpowered because they can spam more damage abilities (because they have 2 enmity "pools" not 1) while other DD jobs have hold themselves back or risk stealing hate.

Easy fix: Pet dmg = drg hate...

Problem solved and there is no reason to over complicate things any further. A blance has been found which gives no real advantage to dragoon over warrior besides its Job specific abilities which it will get Wyvern or not. I mean if someone sent their pet after me I'd go for the master first seeing as they are more of a threat to me then the pet.

[AmyRae]

Easy fix: Pet dmg = drg hate...

Problem solved and there is no reason to over complicate things any further. A blance has been found which gives no real advantage to dragoon over warrior besides its Job specific abilities which it will get Wyvern or not. I mean if someone sent their pet after me I'd go for the master first seeing as they are more of a threat to me then the pet.

Then dragoons can easily solo mobs above their level. Simply set the wyvern to attack while the dragoon runs out of range. All the hits the wyvern makes will only make the mob chase and use its abilities on its master. Who needs tanks or healers?

Even if you solve the damage-versus-enmity issue, there's all these: "damage absorption, healing pets, recovering dead wyverns, kiting, pet equipment taking up valuable damage equipment slots." Those are the ones I could think of; I'm sure there's others.

If you really want a simple solution, then you make wyvern pets nothing more than an extension of the dragoon: A showy delivery system for breath attacks with no other substance than that. No auto-attack, no health, just floats there awaiting the dragoon's use of a TP move and that's it.

[Anonymoose]

I don't really think many of the anti-wyvern people are against it purely because their DPS will be shifted. That's silly. Please stop arguing it just because it's the easiest and shallowest of the anti-pet-class arguments to attack; these threads are ridiculous enough already.

[Synapse]

I would like Pet, share the pet dmg when its out, and full dmg when its released., i wanna stand out as a different DD, not one with MNKWARARC.

[creven]

I vote for pet u still going do dmg its not like the mrd or war will do better dmg then dragoon only one they will out dmg drg will be archer and i dont think they going leave lnc at 50

[CSLionheart]

This whole pet thing shouldn't even be a debate...in accordance with traditional FF lore, dragoons are dragon SLAYERS. Not only that, if you refer to XIV's lore, it's obvious that their entire existence is for the purpose of fighting dragons, especially in Ishgard. I can say with 99% confidence that the dragoon quest will involve Ishgard in one way or another.

That said, XI is the only game in which dragoons fought alongside a pet dragon/wyvern/what have you, and although it was an interesting and original idea, I sincerely hope XI remains the only game. Not to mention that giving dragoons dragon-like abilities as a compromise sounds badass. Somehow the idea of my character using elemental breaths looks awesome in my head.

[NotoriousZow]

I am going to have to say NO to wyvern pet for dragoon. Like many have already pointed out, FFXI was one of the very few FF games to feature the wyvern pet for dragoon, if not the only one.... I would like to see FFXIV's dragoons to go back to the powerful Dragoons like Kain from FFIV or Freya from FFIX. The Lance/polearm weapon and the Jump abilities have always been trademarks of the dragoon. Focus on those abilities and let Dragoon be powerful. Add some dragonlike effect to some weaponskills or abilities. I know Freya had a ton of dragon-like effects to her abilities.

Again. NO PET FOR DRAGOON PLS! ^^

[Engineer]

I was reading in another forum, and took some ideas that could work for this.

what if there were a Dragoon specific pet wyvern that you can get that would take up an extra party slot like the chocobo?
this way, the Dragoon can be strong, and have a pet for those that would rather use the wyvern instead of the chocobo in battle. so there is no pet linked to the dragoon job, its just a companion wyvern, not a pet wyvern so it would take up 1 party slot.

what do you guys think?