Jumping confirmed

[MistyMew]

jumping? EXCELLENT!
got my vote since it may be fluff but it in no way does any harm whatsoever.

anyone annoyed at a player jumping needs to seek medical help.

if i can stomach males in lolsubligars and not vomit...(almost though) then ppl can deal with a jump

good grief ppl calm down

[Zoltan]

Insulting people for their opinion is unjustified. That is called an ad hominem attack and is really like bullying.

Name one single person who is waiting to play FFXIV because there is no jump feature now.

You can't.

Reiterating the statement that it is an MMO standard is no valid justification for it being in an MMO.

The fact is is that it is not needed and MANY people believe that it will negatively impact their game experience because it WILL turn Final Fantasy into just another MMO with people hopping around in towns.

If you can't understand that then that is your own short coming.

It is impossible to expect anyone to respect anyone else's opinion. Especially in an MMO forum.

The reason why people have posted their concerns is because many of them want restrictions placed on this new jump feature.

There are many that do not want people bunny hopping all over town for various reasons.

It is very sad people say that they will make a video or jump around to annoy people.

I really hope that they do read some of these posts and realize what a HUGE mistake they are making if they add jump with no restrictions or limitations.

Many people do not want a duplication of other features of MMO's without justification.

[Jennestia]

It is very sad people say that they will make a video or jump around to annoy people.

This makes them worse than people who are against it or would feel their game experience hindered by it since it clearly would draw in the type of playerbase who would go out of their way to annoy people, which is exactly why a lot of people didn't want to see XIV turn into "just another MMO".

[Denmo]

The fact is is that it is not needed and MANY people believe that it will negatively impact their game experience because it WILL turn Final Fantasy into just another MMO with people hopping around in towns.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion. Even a widely held opinion (not sure if that's the case here) != fact.

If you can't understand that then that is your own short coming.

And yet just a few sentences ago you say:

Insulting people for their opinion is unjustified. That is called an ad hominem attack and is really like bullying.

and then:

It is impossible to expect anyone to respect anyone else's opinion. Especially in an MMO forum.

There seems to be a conflict of interest here!

There are many that do not want people bunny hopping all over town for various reasons.

It is very sad people say that they will make a video or jump around to annoy people.

I really hope that they do read some of these posts and realize what a HUGE mistake they are making if they add jump with no restrictions or limitations.

Many people do not want a duplication of other features of MMO's without justification.

If someone wants to hop around like an idiot, they're free to do so. It's no less annoying than people spamming /laugh emotes in camps or in the city.

Like it or not, waaaaaay back when this game was just released, there was a poll that asked about jumping. The majority of players said they wanted it in the game. So that's what we're getting.

[Zoltan]

It is a fact. Why is it necessary or needed in Final Fantasy XIV?

The is no conflict of interest or hypocricy.

If one person challenges another peson's ability to comprehend a statement, that is a valid concern. It is not an insult or an attack.

Certainly people are free to jump and hop all they want in other MMOs.

Can't people get their jumping fix in other MMOs if that's what they want to do?

Simply because they have stated that they're adding it does not mean that it will be unrestricted.

Maybe you will be allowed to jump once every week at full moon when King Behemoth spawns.

[Fensfield]

If someone wants to hop around like an idiot, they're free to do so. It's no less annoying than people spamming /laugh emotes in camps or in the city.

And some of us would be more than happy with a very short emote cool-down, too. In fact, you know what? I'd really rather like a delay of about five seconds on being able to use standard emotes. .. Although before someone inevitably claims as much, I'm not arguing that jump ought have a five second delay and all. Personally, I favour something more like the landing animation being locked; not least from the gameplay sense that it encourages people to try to time any game-relevant jumping rather than just spam and hope whatever they're aiming to achieve works out for them.

This is our opportunity to voice concerns about future features. The point is, if enough people voice concerns about it being spammed to all hell, perhaps the developers will consider implementing the feature in such a way as to make it so that people are not free to do so. The nature of jumping's implementation is at this stage not set in stone as a death-spammable bunny hop, and to a limited extent nor is it definite it's being implemented at all, although it is now extremely likely.


As for your little point about a conflict of interest.. so what? Human history's been one massive conflict of interests from that point of view. The ideal striven for, or even pointed out by someone who does the opposite, still has some small value (although obviously so does pointing out the person so saying's doing similar). Just because people act or even threaten to act like spiteful little bullies a lot of the time doesn't mean people shouldn't point out how horrible it makes them look.

I mean, really, how does, "I'm going to find the characters said they didn't want jumping and follow them around jumping endlessly just to annoy them, even though I got my way," not read like a total dick move ('scuse my language), and something for which any reasonable person ought look down on the poster of? ... Of course then they'd open themselves up to a harassment report but.. well, anyway.

[Dragon]

Dragon you're really too invested into this.

No, I'm not; but I'm the one that's willing to come to meet you at the middle in spite of the fact all those wanting jumping can't be assed to.

Jumping is not a major issue. In spite of the genre, this is just a game. Quit moping over a feature other people want that has virtually no impact on actual gameplay.

I'm not the one moping. I'm the one that found some middleground, and you still hate it!

Honestly, I don't care either way. I do hate invisible walls or tiny cliffs preventing my character from moving latterally over something they could easily climb or jump on. So yes, in this way jumping would be smart to impliment.

Jumping is still useless if they keep those invisible walls.

Are people going to hop around like bunnies and be annoying. Yep. But it's not as if that's not done already with emote spamming. If you're that easily broken up about something as simple as how someone else's character model moves, perhaps MMOs are not for you. There are plenty of other games that allow you to party with your friends online nowadays to have fun, and the fantasy genera is starting to pick up on the bug to. Why not play one of those instead? That way you can control your interaction with people if you feel as if you absolutely CANNOT tolerate immature behavior.

Oh please. Once again, I'm the one that came to a middleground. I do black list people that spam emotes for no apparent reasoning, and I'd love if those I black list didn't even appear on my screen at all.

As far as implementing a feature that removes the jump animation from the game. It seems to be a rather useless feature, one that could potentially harm your gameplay if you're not seeing your fellow players jump at a needed time.

Not even true, unless they implement platforming features. I don't want to play a damned platform game, I WANT AN MMORPG!

As far as finding a mechanical use for it. What about it being capable of evading low attacks? Flying enemies can evade low-to-ground attacks by virtue of dropping. Why not have some monster or player actions evaded in the same manner? This would be a good mechanic perhaps for some arena based battles at least, though, the lag issue would first have to be addressed.

Which is the primitive form of platform design, NOT an RPG design!

A jump feature is nothing to be in arms about. Yoshi-p seems to want to make jumps look well enough to be in the game and is trying to establish a good aesthetics for it as well, and there is room for actually making it useful in an MMO environmental (bypassing poorly designed trip-ups).

Some of you people are taking this way too seriously.

And being able to turn off jumping animation is nothing you or the rest of the crew that wants jumping should be in arms about either, but you obviously are or you'd be willing to support the middleground instead of being so extreme about what you want.

Here exists the difference: I am at least willing to support a middleground, you're obviously NOT!

[Jynx]

Adjusting the jump is going to be a massive pain mainly due to Lala needing to be able to jump as high as other races without looking strange.

Also the other races have to have a respectable jump as well, making it even harder to balance the hight of the jump. Chances are regardless of how much balancing they do Lalafells will look like circus midgets when they jump or taller races will look like they are just "High stepping" over fences.

[Fensfield]

Adjusting the jump is going to be a massive pain mainly due to Lala needing to be able to jump as high as other races without looking strange.

Also the other races have to have a respectable jump as well, making it even harder to balance the hight of the jump. Chances are regardless of how much balancing they do Lalafells will look like circus midgets when they jump or taller races will look like they are just "High stepping" over fences.

Honestly, I think this idea of it needing to be 'fair's just a reflexive assumption. If it's to be added, why shouldn't it be different between each race? You could take the same logic would demand all races jump equally high and run with it right up to total equipment and class homogeneity.

Hell, you could even vary it by class (or armour choice?). Say.. Paladins/heavy armour(+small/large/otherwise stubby-legged races?) have the lowest jump proficiency and the assumedly eventual Ninja/Dancer classes and/or those wearing tighter cloth gear the highest?

'Might add an interesting twist to its implications for gameplay.

[Hanemakikaze]

Insulting people for their opinion is unjustified. That is called an ad hominem attack and is really like bullying.

Name one single person who is waiting to play FFXIV because there is no jump feature now.

You can't.

Reiterating the statement that it is an MMO standard is no valid justification for it being in an MMO.

The fact is is that it is not needed and MANY people believe that it will negatively impact their game experience because it WILL turn Final Fantasy into just another MMO with people hopping around in towns.

If you can't understand that then that is your own short coming.

It is impossible to expect anyone to respect anyone else's opinion. Especially in an MMO forum.

The reason why people have posted their concerns is because many of them want restrictions placed on this new jump feature.

There are many that do not want people bunny hopping all over town for various reasons.

It is very sad people say that they will make a video or jump around to annoy people.

I really hope that they do read some of these posts and realize what a HUGE mistake they are making if they add jump with no restrictions or limitations.

Many people do not want a duplication of other features of MMO's without justification.

Lol. How in the world will adding an insignificant game mechanic turn this game into every other MMO? Do you even read what you say after you type it? You know what's turning FFXIV into every other MMO? If anything, that will be 2.0, and here you are crying about jumping. I swear to god some people on here make me ashamed to be a fan of this series, this is, and always will be one of the saddest arguments I have ever come across, ever. Also, you state that insulting someone for their opinion is unjustified then right after that here is you; "If you can't understand that then that is your own short coming ".And one last thing, stating an opinion as fact does not mean it's a fact, and trying to push an opinion as fact does not mean it's a fact. That sir, is a fact.