Jumping confirmed

[Jynx]

Had a good laugh at the attempt to explain how a lala could jump as high as let's say a elzenn

It's not possible to do it logically aero spell? What about the non magic classes? Just admit no matter what they do lala are going to either be circ desole stars or everyone else is going to have bad knees and can't jump higher than the midgets

[shanvhere]

Had a good laugh at the attempt to explain how a lala could jump as high as let's say a elzenn

It's not possible to do it logically aero spell? What about the non magic classes? Just admit no matter what they do lala are going to either be circ desole stars or everyone else is going to have bad knees and can't jump higher than the midgets

It is possible, Spub Web did it. He is like 5'7" and jumped like 11 feet

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Had a good laugh at the attempt to explain how a lala could jump as high as let's say a elzenn

It's not possible to do it logically aero spell? What about the non magic classes? Just admit no matter what they do lala are going to either be circ desole stars or everyone else is going to have bad knees and can't jump higher than the midgets

That wasn't a serious example, but the physics are fact, actually. If each race was the same in fitness across the board, it is a fact that they will relatively jump the same height as each other.

Sorry if I pointed out something logical in this thread. I know how ill received it can be.

[Fensfield]

That wasn't a serious example, but the physics are fact, actually. If each race was the same in fitness across the board, it is a fact that they will relatively jump the same height as each other.

I'm sorry but you're comparing humans of varied heights and similar physical aptitude to races of massively varied height, mass, musculature and even anatomy. Lalafell leg musculature in proportion to body size is significantly lower than that of a Hyur. They would - if we're going to make the iffy decision to make this argument about real world physics - have a lower jump height. Roegadyn on the other hand have extremely strong legs but a great deal more mass - they'll probably jump about the same height as a Hyur would. Mi'qote meanwhile have about the same proportionate leg musculature as a Hyur but lower mass, they'd probably jump a bit higher in general. Elezen probably a bit higher, too, by similar logic.

So .. your logic almost holds up, though not quite by the reasons you offer. It falls with Lalafell, however, who - when you take anatomy into account - would probably have a lower jump height even than had you simply reduced the height they can jump by their comparative height beside a Hyur.

And was there really need for that needly little line on the end? Can't anyone here at least try to present their thoughts without having to make a stab at someone?

[Jynx]

If each race was the same in fitness across the board, it is a fact that they will relatively jump the same height as each other.

So a Fit Lalafell can jump as high as a fit Elzaan?

What about a Fit Roegadyn Versus a Elzaan? Or a Highlander versus a Midlander?

They are obviously not all of the exact same physical features even if around the same high. Why can the bulkier guy jump just as high as the slender guy? Your arguing a moronic point, admit that some functions in a game like this throw logic to the side for balance issues.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I'm sorry but you're comparing humans of varied heights and similar physical aptitude to races of massively varied height, mass, musculature and even anatomy. Lalafell leg musculature in proportion to body size is significantly lower than that of a Hyur. They would - if we're going to make the iffy decision to make this argument about real world physics - have a lower jump height. Roegadyn on the other hand have extremely strong legs but a great deal more mass - they'll probably jump about the same height as a Hyur would. Mi'qote meanwhile have about the same proportionate leg musculature as a Hyur but lower mass, they'd probably jump a bit higher in general. Elezen probably a bit higher, too, by similar logic.

So .. your logic almost holds up, though not quite by the reasons you offer. It falls with Lalafell, however, who - when you take anatomy into account - would probably have a lower jump height even than had you simply reduced the height they can jump by their comparative height beside a Hyur.

And was there really need for that needly little line on the end? Can't anyone here at least try to present their thoughts without having to make a stab at someone?

When I stated this, I actually included what you just said, but not as articulately. Basically, you're right. What needs to be done is to lower the jump height across the board.

The distance can be the same across all races, this we know is true, but the height that was showed in the video was way off which is what made it look odd.

Your last point, I cannot control myself sometimes when it comes to Jynx and the post he made below yours is why. LOL

So a Fit Lalafell can jump as high as a fit Elzaan?

What about a Fit Roegadyn Versus a Elzaan? Or a Highlander versus a Midlander?

They are obviously not all of the exact same physical features even if around the same high. Why can the bulkier guy jump just as high as the slender guy? Your arguing a moronic point, admit that some functions in a game like this throw logic to the side for balance issues.

Like I said previously, the height is off, but theoretically all races can jump at the same height. This is a fact.

[Jynx]

Like I said previously, the height is off, but theoretically all races can jump at the same height. This is a fact.

They can theoretically jump the same hight?

Oh boy...I want to know where you get your "Facts" I'm pretty certain I know though and it smells of poo.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

They can theoretically jump the same hight?

Oh boy...I want to know where you get your "Facts" I'm pretty certain I know though and it smells of poo.

but this isn't the same because you're taking two very different builds of fitness. In FFXIV, the races are programmed to be very slightly different from each other in performance.

I'm only 5'6 in real life, my character is about that size as well, if you pair me with someone who is 6' and compares to me equally in fitness I will be able to jump the same height as them.

You cannot argue this because it goes against physics. Unless you somehow are able to bend them... which I doubt you of all people could.

Edit: Actually, now that I think of it, your point can go against what you're trying to make. Theoretically, the body builder with his height and mass could not get very far off the ground in relation to his body. The child does not have as much mass holding them down, but they are much smaller. The distance between the ground and their feet will still relatively be the same.

Thanks for making a point that actually supports my argument even though you probably didn't intend that to happen. lol

[Jynx]

if you pair me with someone who is 6' and compares to me equally in fitness I will be able to jump the same distance as them.

You cannot argue this because it goes against physics.

Your example goes against physics, really don't get into this arguement you will be proven wrong.

Your not only working with races that are built far differently from human beings, even within humans your size/build can be massive factors in how high you can jump, how fast you can run, swim, almost anything. Bigger doesn't always mean better but having a hight advantage with a small frame will put you at a advantage as someone shorter with the same type of frame.

Within XIV we have a large ammount of races that are generally the same size. Hume, Highlander, Roe are generally the same size with differing frames. To say that a perfectly fit Hume can't jump higher than a perfectly fit Roe is just asanine and you know it...but let's not even go with the comparable races.


Take a long hard look at the Lalafells legs compared to ANY other race in FFXIV, they litteraly lack the proper proportions to jump high at all they would get next to no leverage or momentum with the extremly small legg, they lack the muscle mass as well to propell themselves. The only advantage they have is Weight but they still have inferior mechanism to launch themselves with.

Physically Lalafell are "Top heavy" they have much larger torsos than they do legs, If they were equally sized even in leg/torso/build you still have the taller race that has a advantage in height advantage giving them more "Clearance" even with the same physical abillities.

It's "Video game logic" that Lalafells can wield the same axe that a Elzaan can and output the same ammount of force (Damage) So is the abillity of a shorter race being able to jump as high as the taller ones. It's a balance issue if they did it realistically. I'm done arguing this stupid point.

Don't beleive me if you don't want too, but it doesn't make you any less wrong than you currently are.

Edit: Actually, now that I think of it, your point can go against what you're trying to make. Theoretically, the body builder with his height and mass could not get very far off the ground in relation to his body. The child does not have as much mass holding them down, but they are much smaller. The distance between the ground and their feet will still relatively be the same.

Feel free to make the same point about races that don't have such a massive difference in build. It was a "Lolnotserious" example much like your Aero spell...