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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    +10 RA potency (used 33 to 66% of time), +100 GB potency (used 33% of time). Assuming tri-combo, that would be +0, +10, +100, or averaging out to a 36.7 potency increase per combo. With RA-RA-GB, that'd be +10, +10, +100, averaging to +40 potency per combo. Not hard to see what he meant.

    Given that we only dealt ~2300 weaponskill potency per 3 combos before (RA-RA-GB), I'd call the additional 120 sizeable. It's over 5%, after all, to be taken quite often atop the 6.67% increase to Shield Oath dps. That's pretty great.

    However, I have to agree that it didn't change a damn thing except to (1) make GB your slightly increased potency spam attack during excessive enmity while leveling, to (2) make GB per 4 combos for high-SS PLDs even less viable by increasing the GB-RA potency gap by an additional 40% (1020 to 700 from 920 to 690), and (3) to increase juicy cleave DPS... which DRK still blows us away in (at 575 potency per [Darksided] Scourge, with no time wasted in combos). The second reduced options, the third increased capacity, but only the first actually affected gameplay, and not by much.
    Uh, it's completely unreasonable to just drop the number 40 down and expect everyone who reads it to start doing average combo potency calculations, especially when there's another method one can use to reach +40: +10 to RA, +20 to GB's initial hit, and +10 to GB's DoT potency. Now that you've posted this interpretation Februs would almost certainly claim he meant what you said if pressed, but I'll bet gil that it's just coincidence.

    Related to your numbers I would wonder about something else, though. What were the ramifications of PLD receiving the largest buff to enmity between the tanks in 3.2? They have to use Shield Oath less, they don't lose as much during the time they do spend in Shield Oath, and they can get away with fewer Halones even without a Ninja. MT damage has risen more than a few potency buffs would suggest. I wonder how much it has risen in comparison to OT Damage.

    Also, I do have to say... SE enabling Paladins to use Halone even less kind of puts a damper on the whole "oh hey PLD finally has 3 combos" thing.

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    And... Paladin TP consumption? There's probably a reason that people aren't bothering to argue the point that "Tp consumption practically cripples the job and has been a festering nightmare for a very long time now". Because... it's really quite wrong. Sure, it crippled the job at one point. Now? I haven't run out of TP as a Paladin since 3.2 dropped. I don't even look at that bar anymore. Paladin may still have the worst TP preservation among the Tanks, but that only hurts if you have uninterrupted uptime long enough to actually bottom out. Even then, it's only a true problem if you're the only person bottoming out at the time in a party without a Ninja. It's hardly "crippling" at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    And... Paladin TP consumption? There's probably a reason that people aren't bothering to argue the point that "Tp consumption practically cripples the job and has been a festering nightmare for a very long time now". Because... it's really quite wrong. Sure, it crippled the job at one point. Now? I haven't run out of TP as a Paladin since 3.2 dropped. I don't even look at that bar anymore. Paladin may still have the worst TP preservation among the Tanks, but that only hurts if you have uninterrupted uptime long enough to actually bottom out. Even then, it's only a true problem if you're the only person bottoming out at the time in a party without a Ninja. It's hardly "crippling" at the moment.
    It's only in A7S. Ask for a Goad for that one.
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