Any plan to improve the enmity indicator?

[Sokina]

Short, under 1000 characters version:

When you're a DPS (Or like a super healy-healer), you go from green circle, Upwards yellow arrow, downwards orange arrow, red square when you're gaining aggro.

When you're a tank, you go from blinking red square to blinking faster red square when losing aggro.

Is this something they plan on changing anytime soon, or has it been addressed anywhere? I want confirmation as either A) They're looking to improve this in the future, or B) This is intended and are not going to be changing it in the future.


I know we have the aggro meters on the party list, but you have to tab through each target to see, and the bar doesn't even display when you select a new target, taking half a second to a second before it shows up. What would make sense to me is if you got a Solid red square when you were fine, and then a blinking red square when you're losing aggro. Super simple, super easy.

Long version: http://pastebin.com/CRyCsxhX

[Huskell]

Yeah that is really annoying for tanks too, because you need to switch to every mob and see little white bars on the party thing to notice if anyone is stealing aggro. Well, you get a sense of it based on the healers spamming, distance and who the dps are attacking, but could be better. I really like the notification when you loose aggro tho, it shows who got aggro and makes a little noise.

[Chronons]

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I dont want to come off as too dismissive, but I dont really see that this is that much of an issue? Being able to hold aggro and maintain an accurate tactical view of the battlefield is what being a tank is all about. There are already a number of indicators as to where people lie on the enmity scale. The party list, the DPS/Helaers color codes in the enemy list as well as having your own enemy list as a cheat sheet.

Over time you should be able to develop a sense of how well your holding aggro - ie. that MCH is going ham on a different mob than anyone else, I better give it some attention. At some point you wont be watching your enemy list or party bar like a hawk to be sure your on top of the enmity list. You will just know when and where you need to focus based on what your dps and healer are doing. Your going to need that attention focused on positioning targets so your dps can hit positionals, avoiding aoes, managing cooldowns, and maximizing your dps.

What I am saying essentially is that I see no reason to make it "easier" on tanks. Part of the learning curve is to be comfortable with enmity. Having a list that tells you use aggro moves here, here, and then here - in my opinion- robs the tank classes of something fundamental to the playstyle.

[GeekMatt]

...3 years of PLD, I had no idea the red square blinked?

[Anienai]

So when did playing red light, green light, 1-2-3 get too hard? Should we give tanks a 500% threat boost from 1-50?

[Jpec07]

So when did playing red light, green light, 1-2-3 get too hard? Should we give tanks a 500% threat boost from 1-50?

It's not about being able to keep hate, it's about knowing which mobs you're in danger of losing. The current indicator for how much of an enmity lead you have on a given mob is so poor that many (including myself) didn't even know it was there.

I agree, OP. I'd really like it if they gave some kind of better indication of how large your enmity lead is in the enemy list. The frequency of a subtle blink/flash is NOT a good indicator, and the most efficient way to get that information has been to tab cycle through every target.

(while we're on the topic, I'd love if we could have some control over the tab target sequence and/or the order of the enemy list)

[Canadane]

Did you miss the actual enmity bars on the party list that shows how much relative enmity everyone in the party has accrued on any particular mob?
Also, if you edit your post you no longer have a 1000 character limit.

[Jpec07]

Did you miss the actual enmity bars on the party list that shows how much relative enmity everyone in the party has accrued on any particular mob?
Also, if you edit your post you no longer have a 1000 character limit.

Those only work for the mob you're targeting. The moment you have more than one enemy that you need to hold onto is the moment that part of the UI loses its utility (unless you cycle through every mob to see where you stand; yes, you should be cycling anyway, but it doesn't tell you which mob(s) you're about to lose until you get to them).

[MagiusNecros]

As a tank the only thing I care about is seeing red squares and seeing the color orange yellow or green means I'm not doing my job.

[Ilan]

If you cycle through them anyway you'll see which mob(s) you're about to lose and to be honest every tank has a aoe to keep hate. You just have to use it.