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    Indeed. No actionable terms of service violations by association. But if you know someone's bad, you probably don't want to hang out with them anyway.

    Once you have another computer program running that's analyzing data from the game client, do you suddenly develop a strong moral imperative and ensure it's only used in a completely fair way? Unlikely. In fact, I recall a variety of scandal and banning back when people could not beat content on their own for a while and the first group that did, did so using what is very likely the exact program people have alluded to. It wasn't its ability to tell them "Hey, Fred, you did more damage than the bard that fight!" It was its ability to provide significantly more obvious cues for when they needed to perform certain combat tasks (Twintania's Twister, mostly, if memory serves). This is obviously something people can see on their own (especially if they have enough sense to focus target Twintania). And now Twintania tends to most often die without even getting a chance to cast Twister (Twisters?). But this declaration that it's not cheating becomes increasingly blurry even for stalwart supporters of DPS parsers when you start to replace fight's actual cues with more idiot-proof ones.

    This is "New Player Help." Let's not try to encourage new players to cheat.

    Oh, and regarding letter of the law ... the terms already say Square can just ban anyone for any reason. They have that very thoroughly legally covered. They don't need to be additionally vague or ominous. The text about third party software that analyzes game data seems genuinely intended to say that this is cheating, not that they want to have extra legal support in case someone is mean about it. And here's the quote for you (all caps theirs, not mine):

    SQUARE ENIX MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNTS, CHARACTERS, VIRTUAL GOODS, OR THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY TO YOU.
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    Last edited by EveK; 06-26-2016 at 04:10 AM.

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    I just think this whole situation is absurd. Plain and simple... there are very popular job guides in the official SE forum here that openly discuss theorycrafting obtained through the use of a parser, and link to YouTube videos where a parser is clearly displayed. These posts have been out there for years.

    So, as I noted before as an "experiment" I reported them. They are still there. SE needs to either say, no you can't use these and ban people that talk about them, or just say something like "you use these at your own risk and can be banned if harrasing people with them." But they need to say _something_. Because as things stand now, there is a 90% chance that if I join another FC they'll start talking about DPS parsing... and I'll once again be a "cheater by assocation." The whole "fight club, don't ask don't tell" mentality is ridiculous. I paid money for this game and will not be renewing my subscription. New players should not have to go through this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoqor View Post
    I just think this whole situation is absurd. Plain and simple... there are very popular job guides in the official SE forum here that openly discuss theorycrafting obtained through the use of a parser, and link to YouTube videos where a parser is clearly displayed. These posts have been out there for years.

    So, as I noted before as an "experiment" I reported them. They are still there. SE needs to either say, no you can't use these and ban people that talk about them, or just say something like "you use these at your own risk and can be banned if harrasing people with them." But they need to say _something_. Because as things stand now, there is a 90% chance that if I join another FC they'll start talking about DPS parsing... and I'll once again be a "cheater by assocation." The whole "fight club, don't ask don't tell" mentality is ridiculous. I paid money for this game and will not be renewing my subscription. New players should not have to go through this crap.
    You're the first person I've ever seen get butt-hurt "by association." ._.

    A large portion (possibly majority) of the community has accepted parsers so long as no harassment is involved. You're like the religious fanatic that is screaming at the crowd to stone a Woman who just wants a Divorce from her husband, who is also alright with the divorce.
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